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My issue with potting any assistant coach is the only person qualified to judge would be Neeld. If we want to base Royals worthiness purely against the result of his little area where he has been coaching we need to ditch Rawlings and Brown and ALL assistant coaches under Bailey. To those saying he has had long enough to work some magic on players have got it 100% right - it would take magic to get some of midfielders mentioned performing. If Neeld moves on assistant or keeps them is my indication if they are doing the job required.

I can ( but i can argue with anything) My take is as RPFC's - Vlad was blindsided by AA with the investigation but once the AA fanfare Ta-ra Ta-ra, an investigation, yippee, was announced Vlad was not going to be able to stop it so what has happened since smacks of managed process ( except I am dirty over the need of the AFL for a pound of flesh because their pound of flesh is rotten to the core) So what has been stage managed - 1/ find us not guilty of tanking and then other clubs dont have to be investigated - that happened 2/ find us not guilty of tanking and it is going to be hard to strip away gaming licences - we will see but that is what may happen As above I am upset about the vindictive nature of the AFL that they needed ROI for their investigation and had we held firm like I believe a Collingwood would have done and told the AFL "charge us with tanking or charge us with nothing" then we would have got nothing instead of this trumped up farce of a penalty.

we will differ on a few things above- firstly CC was transferred out as a consquence of the $500K - he has been out for over a year - way before the investigation even started. I suspect he was moved out due to his over-forthrightness with players. CC's comments can be looked at subjectively - joking or not joking and he gets suspended for a year - Trigg rorts the salary cap and gets 6 months ? I will never agree that 12 months is a fair penalty. The AFL was looking to come away with something, anything and CC was it. Whilst I am happy to move on, I have made my feelings known that whilst this will now conclude this awful chapter in an expedient manner - it is exactly that - expediency and something strong clubs like Collingwood would not accept.

My problem is not that CC said something dumb, which I think he did - it is the disproportionate whack that he has received and that is where the majority of sympathy is coming from. And I believe the whack he received is because of what I think we are all in agreement on - they could not get us on anything else. I also believe Billy, that you are using misdirected logic - We were fined $500K and CC is unemployed for a year because of comments. You have focused on something costing us $500K instead of asking the most important of questions..so i will ask you - do you think that the club should have been fined $500K and CC lose his job for a year over the comments he made ( as reported - we only have "as reported" to make our judgements). I am absolutely black on white on this - we should have been hit for tanking ( and 6 other clubs investigated as well ) or cleared. One or the other. What we ended up with is the AFL being passive aggressive. ( i want to hit you for tanking but i cant so i am going to whack the hell out of you for dumb comments)

This will take you back OD - do you remember Nepean Hwy after mordialloc having 3 lanes - one lane in one direction and one in the other. The middle lane could be used to overtake by EITHER traffic direction as long as no cars were coming !!!!!! We used to call it the "suicide lane". I tell people this story and they dont believe me.

I am all for nuturing but the reality is that if there if a star emerges from Casey he will be open to all comers in the draft.

Can you please hand back in your membership for a year and pay $100K in fines - you may have meant this as a joke but many took that comment seriously and in turn burned their membership tickets. Whilst we cant prove that you actually wanted Caroline Wilson as no 1 ticket holder, you have brought the MFC into disrepute by making such a "horrible statement"

now THERE was a beard...

My only criticism of the coaching panel on McKenzie is he had a particularly good game last year when he had about umpteen handballs - all pretty effective - and the coaching panel said - all good but we want you to kick more. If his handball can be effective as opposed to his obvious sub par kicking then why not let him play to his strengths ? I dont recall anyone coaching Greg Williams and telling him to handball less ( not that I am saying Jordie can handball like diesel)

I say the same to ex board members/ex presidents/ex anyones as I do to ex pollies - thank you for your services when you were in position to actually implement policy/change and whether you were succcessful or not you are thanked for your efforts. Now you are not in a position to implement change/policy it would be appreciated if you would fade quietly into the background making neither comments or actions detrimental to your former club/party. You had your moment and it is over - what is required are people who are going to be constructive and support the current administration - if you are truly unhappy with the current administration, then in a calm non destructive manner put your hand up publicly to stand at the next election. I have read on here people alluding to people agitating in the background and if this is correct then this means you - there has only been one public agitator so I am directing this to him as well.

Me too. " I'm a failure but its much easier to blame others"

spearmint rhino richards ? i wonder if we can all get the 'land discount ?

therein lies my problem - we have to continually stomach the club taking a cheaper or easier option and to do this you have to compromise. So lots on here are happy with the compromise or accomodation - I, for one, am not. I will ask a hypothetical that everyone will have their opinion on 1/ Would the AFL go hard at Collingwood with what the same stuff as they had on us ? 2/ Would Collingwood cop the penalty we have been given Just a thought

Dear Brock, Thanks for the ten large you chipped in previously. No chance of you stumping up another $490K is there since you took it upon yourself to open up that stupid yap of yours ? ( you stumped up, half witted, bogan) Regards Us.

I try to be unemotional about my team but the reality is that it has volatile, highly charged emotions attached to it. I understand the pragmatic approach taken by club however I cant help but feel exactly the same as you DC and shafted is very accurate description in my eyes and the words "rolled over" come to my mind. Again pragmatism dictates that you dont bite the hand that feeds you but the comment that reasonated with me the most was " the AFL required Melbourne to prove its innocence whereas a court would require the AFL to prove the MFC's guilt".

Couldnt agree more. Our crime is two fold - Chris Connolly being a little too blatent and numerous disgruntled ( or lilly livered) employees/ex employees rolling over and blabbing. The most amusing aspect of all this is thousands of posts and endless restating of positions and everything hinged on the same question - what is the definition of tanking - as of today we are no clearer. ( well ..we are but even I dont have the moxy to put down the definition that could be extropolated from this farce as it would be laughable in the extreme)

I feel let down....I understand that it is good to get this crap out the way before the start of the season but I cant help but feel we rolled over. The things we did badly 1/ Chris Connelly being so blatant in a meeting AND 2/ Having enough people hear him that either became disgruntled later and rolled over on him or were weak livered and rolled over on him OR 3/ there was documentary proof. Thats where we went wrong. The reason I feel sick is the sheer hypocracy of the proceedings, the precedents, and GM presser regarding what he considered manipulation (CC's comments) and the other example given of Freo resting players for a home final. Its a con job and not a very good one.

I thought about this last night and I hark back to an article regarding our reply to the report . I recall that the gist of the article is we would not be addressing every issue and defending every claim in the report. If this is to be believed then the " everyone else has done it " defense may not have been officially forwarded. This is where the wicked witch of the west may be getting her unofficial defence line from whilst the official line may exclude many things that would be brought up in court. For me, I'm not sure we would have to articulate that Carlton did the same and if we go down we will try and take others with us. The afl knows it so pointing it out to them seems superfluous.

He tweeted just before that @craighutchy: Garry and caro still tense back stage after @FootyClassified stoush. Very willing tonight. #whowon?

I applaud Garry for taking her on and defending us but I would suggest unfortunately it was nil all draw. Lots of haymakers thrown and lots of clinches but not much landing.

Nah.. The reference is to sandersons opinion on afl.com that bailey won't get charged. Opinion nothing more

Garry got too heated and emotional and couldn't nail her. I understood the point he was trying to make as caro flip flopped about the MFC defence. - what nonsense - we have an official and unofficial defence.......plllleeeaassseeee. He did call her out on the players being questioned about them fumbling and her response........ She didn't know that they were accused of that..... She is extremely clever... Garry didnt land a telling blow on her.

sigh...waffling AND solid as a blancmange..my reputation has sunk lower than ..well... you can "insert persons name here" ( so many names to choose from !)

fired up and f...ed off out of picture - unfortunately it got racially villified - one of the pots called him black.

I am the blancmange in the middle of the table. I have been accused in the past of perhaps being too non committal on certain issues and being as "solid as a blancmange"