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I did say that trac wasn't as good yet. As you say degoey is more of a match winner. But whilst stats of course can be driving they are almost identical in bb every category. And i think sometimes with a player like degoey if you don't see every game, like we do with trac it can be easy to overrate their week to week performance.

Look obviously we are not going to agree on this. But i reckon you are being super harsh in regard to his work rate and the implication he has not shown enough hunger. He overcame an ACL at the start of his career and this year is his first preseason that has not been interrupted in some way. And despite this has barely missed a game since his debut. This year is really the first time he can get really fit and he seems to have grasped that opportunity. Id on't see any lack of hunger, this year or in previous years. Did you look at the 2019 comparison to DeGoey? Here is is the career to date comparison: Player Statistics Comparison Christian Petracca Name Jordan De Goey Melbourne Demons Team Collingwood Magpies Midfield, Forward Position Forward 85 Career Games 88 Eastern Ranges Origin Oakleigh Chargers January 4, 1996 Date of Birth March 15, 1996 24yr 0mth Age 23yr 10mth 186cm Height 191cm 96kg Weight 91kg 2014 National Draft Last Drafted In 2014 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #5 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Collingwood Magpies Career Stats for Season Career 85 Games 88 9.5 Kicks 10.0 9.4 Handballs 6.7 18.9 Disposals 16.8 3.5 Marks 3.9 0.9 Goals 1.3 0.6 Behinds 0.8 2.9 Tackles 3.2 0.2 Hitouts 0 3.8 Inside 50s 3.2 0.8 Goal Assists 0.7 0.7 Frees For 0.8 0.8 Frees Against 0.8 9.8 Contested Possessions 6.9 9.6 Uncontested Possessions 9.9 12.8 Effective Disposals 11.4 67.7% Disposal Efficiency % 67.9% 3.1 Clangers 2.5 0.6 Contested Marks 0.5 0.9 Marks Inside 50 1.2 2.4 Clearances 2.3 0.6 Rebound 50s 0.5 1.1 One Percenters 0.9 0.1 Bounces 0.2 83.0 Time On Ground % 78.5 0.8 Centre Clearances 0.9 1.6 Stoppage Clearances 1.4 6.0 Score Involvements 5.9 283.7 Metres Gained 260.8 4.0 Turnovers 3.3 2.2 Intercepts 1.4 0.8 Tackles Inside 50 0.8

Agree. All for it.

I can see you are doubling down. A talented plodder to this point in his career? Really? Again, i disagree. This is his career averages: Career Season Averages Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL 2019 Demons 22 9.6 9.1 18.7 4.0 1.0 0.6 3.0 0.2 0.7 0.9 0.7 3.6 2.4 2.9 0.2 2018 Demons 24 11.2 9.1 20.2 4.0 0.8 1.0 3.0 0.2 0.6 0.9 0.9 4.3 2.6 3.7 0.6 0.14 2017 Demons 22 8.2 10.6 18.8 3.3 1.2 0.3 2.5 0 0.5 0.8 0.9 3.2 2.6 2.9 0.5 0.09 2016 Demons 17 8.5 8.9 17.4 2.5 0.7 0.7 3.3 0.2 1.0 0.7 0.8 3.9 1.9 3.0 1.1 Career 85 9.5 9.4 18.9 3.5 0.9 0.6 2.9 0.2 0.7 0.8 0.8 3.8 2.4 3.1 0.6 0.06 These are solid numbers. Remarkably consistent. An average of nearly 20 disposals a game is impressive for a player who has mainly played forward. Has been resilient and played though injury. these are nnot the numbers of a plodder This is his 2019 stats compared to DeGoey, a player he is often compared to. Now i'm not suggesting he is as good (yet) but the numbers are remarkably similar, as evidenced in the Supercocah and AFL Fantsy scores and values. Of particular interest are the score involvements, tackles inside 50, metres gained, one percenters, contested possessions and stoppage clearances (note his career averages are actually better than DeGoeys in almost all categories, with a notable exception being goals, 0.9 to 1.3). Player Statistics Comparison Christian Petracca Name Jordan De Goey Melbourne Demons Team Collingwood Magpies Midfield, Forward Position Forward 85 Career Games 88 Eastern Ranges Origin Oakleigh Chargers January 4, 1996 Date of Birth March 15, 1996 24yr 0mth Age 23yr 10mth 186cm Height 191cm 96kg Weight 91kg 2014 National Draft Last Drafted In 2014 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #5 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Collingwood Magpies 2019 Stats for Season 2019 22 Games 17 9.6 Kicks 12.0 9.1 Handballs 4.8 18.7 Disposals 16.8 4.0 Marks 4.8 1.0 Goals 2.0 0.6 Behinds 1.3 3.0 Tackles 2.1 0.2 Hitouts 0 3.6 Inside 50s 3.6 0.7 Goal Assists 0.8 0.7 Frees For 1.1 0.9 Frees Against 0.8 9.6 Contested Possessions 7.4 9.7 Uncontested Possessions 8.9 12.9 Effective Disposals 10.3 69% Disposal Efficiency % 61.3% 2.9 Clangers 2.8 0.7 Contested Marks 0.7 1.1 Marks Inside 50 1.8 2.4 Clearances 2.1 0.2 Rebound 50s 0.2 1.1 One Percenters 0.8 0 Bounces 0.4 88.0 Time On Ground % 77.7 0.6 Centre Clearances 1.1 1.8 Stoppage Clearances 1.0 6.0 Score Involvements 6.8 289.3 Metres Gained 297.3 4.5 Turnovers 3.8 1.8 Intercepts 1.2 1.2 Tackles Inside 50 0.7 $532,000 AFL Fantasy Price $555,000 75.9 AFL Fantasy Score 79.9 $419,300 Supercoach Price $425,400 81.3 Supercoach Score 82.4

Not potting you but in my opinion tgis is completely wrong. Seems to be a common view, even from dees fans who presumably watched him a fair bit. Which I find strange. He was terrific last year. As he noted he had surgery in the preseason and so never got fully fit. Which made it hard for him to stay in games for 120 minutes. But he was super consistent accross the season and our best forward. His season was massively underrated. Was ok the previous year too.

He is the anti frost.

I know many have noted it but jeez he looks fit. Saw a one of the camp photos on my phone and didn't recognise his face at first. If he plays a lot more mid field time he could be huge for us.

Less kind people might say a donkey vote.

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One word paints a 100 words?

To be perfectly honest i don't think roos leaving is much loss. i rarely found his comments interesting or particularly insightful. And he often had biases that he struggled to hide.

A video paints a 1000 words. Here's 10 additional words: That is precisely why we want him. (Very) Rare talent.

That's fair enough. I loved jeffy. He was terrific for us. And had a bad run with injury (his shoulder injury in rhe preseason game ladt year was terrible timing and really knocked him oof his axis) and as you say had to deal with some personal stuff. I definitely don't want to denigrate him or tarnish his legacy.

Fair point.

Be that as it may he was not physically competive enough at the end. Which is why they delisted him. And why no other club picked him up.

I could not agree more. I can't speak for other clubs (because I don't have any interest) but our fan engagement is woeful. And i think it is real issue in terms of engaging younger supporters and building a strong supporter base. The content you suggest is exactly the collateral they should develop. Shareable videos (eg on snapchat, dischord and insta) that are intersting (eg diet, traingin, interests) and build connection. Kids love content. Tv dead and such content is practically free. Great for sponsors too. A good example was the trade day videos the club posted. Good stuff and so so easy (credit wmwhete it is due). Build an awareness of Bedford, swallow, neita etc etc. My 17 year old son knows more about RJ Hampton than any young demon player. If it were not for demonland so would I. In this day an age it is a complete own goal not to be doing way more in this space.

I'll take you at your word m5, but the question I have is what does 'more scrutiny actually mean in practice. Particularly as it relates to the context of a football forum. Lets say your concerns are valid. More scrutiny might mean more unfounded criticism, gossip and potshots at the club, rather than balanced crtique. Particularly in tve absence of any real information. And that sort of white noise can cause damage and actually make matters worse. Which is the opposite of what i assume you are hoping to achieve.

Shouldn't be a problem if they have sufficient mental strength.

I never warmed to him.

As good a place as any to put this. Terrific replacement game for the round 9 Alice game i reckon:

Agree. They should use this song in all their campaign material:

When does the season start?

I had the same idea. Had about 25 in a garbage bag with plan to sew them together to create a blanket. My mistake was to store them in a garbage bag. They got put in the garbage. Stopped collecting scarves after that.

I have managed to beat my addiction to exercise.

Maybe. He doesn't look a natural crumbing forward, but as you say he kicked goals. But from memory most were from leads not crumbing?