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Makes sense. Lost a real leader with Hunter's retirement.

And if there is no space, kick to the forwards advantage - not on his head or as is often the case, his opponents advantage. Does my head in.

He never played for the dogs.

As a player, he could find the pill, a real ball hound, who fought for the hard ball like a dog with a bone. As a coach, is on the hard side, but apparently his bark is worse than his bite.

Guaranteed star is a very high bar, but I saw plenty to suggest that if he puts the work in the kolt will become an A grader, a star. Smart, good user, good footy iq, good hands - and has the key thing all stars have: x factor. I tgink it easy to be seduced by how quickly players like daicos and Windsor impact at AFL level. But at the end of the day, kolt was in his first season of AFL football. With another preseason under his belt he will go up another level and a 60% damaging small forward, 40% inside mid. Future looks very bright for the kolt IMV.

How good are hore and hanks are such guns. Mcnamara go alright too. Pisano looks a quality player, and like those noted above natural footballer.

Thanks choco.

If I was a betting man........... .

Well, that will be up to all of us I suspect. If we can discuss it like rationale, mature adults that understand nuance then we should be fine.

Great post luci. As much as people like binary good or bad assessments, the reality is Pert did alot right and like anyone had areas for improvement. Those two things are always in tension, which is why in most organisations CEOs have a shelf life. Whatever people's view of pert, or how much credit he gets (and my views align with yours), his legacy is assured - he led the dees to our first flag in 57 years. In an industry that is all about winning flags, two flags look pretty good on a resume.

I reckon the circumstances are our comms are dead set hopeless. That's on the ceo, and will be my abiding memory of Pert's time at the MFC

I reckon this is such a great point. I was thinking something similar in relating the comment somewhere in this thread about his kicking - chunk really improved his kicking in the back half of his career, something that very few players seem able to do. I really respected him for that as it takes lot of work to change something so technique based, a technique honed with millions of kicks since he was a little kid. I have a similar respect for Jack Viney as he too has really improved his kicking in the last 2 seasons.

I'm confused. Club legend and former skipper returns to the fold. Is that a positive or yet more evidence of the club being in crisis?

I'm not sure about serious fractures (i mean the facts don't support that - no way so many players extend contracts in the last few months if there was serious fractures in the playing group), but i don't think there is much doubt there's some fence building needed, particularly in relation to tracc. But to that I'd say so what. At any given point in time there is likely to be some conflict in an organisation as big as a footy club, full of alpha male athletes with (nessarary) egos and any number of potential grievances ('why did they pick him not me', 'I'd be better in that position', 'he never puts away his weights'). Every club except the lions will be dealing with some level of internal conflict atm. Most clubs have unhappy players wanting out for non family or personal related reasons (ironically an exception being the dees). And every club has delisted players, most of whom who have close relationships with players who are staying. Whatever fence building is needed will happen naturally and they will just get on with training. No biggie.

Take the l out of lover. And it's over.

Take out henney and the Swans donr make the GF

Smart to give Jones a part time role. Money well spent to stop him slagging of the club in the commentary box.

I reckon the censor is actually fascist. I mean, it's right there in the name - auto censor. As in Autocratic Censor. Wake up people. Do your own research.

Or perhaps they should - some resilience training. I believe it was part of frosty, omac and nibblas training regime.

Is that you JimmyG?

Fair call, he Waa clunking them better, which suggests it's not a technique thing. I predict after another preseason the days of jvr being underrated will be well gone. If Jefferson can fulfil his potential (which would free up petts to go back or play as a swingman) talk of needing to bring in another key forward will also be gone.

Hello Steve the Man Jordan, aka Jimmy Gadson, aka middle aged Demon. Weed delisted, and likely stranded on 76 AFL games (can't see another club picking him up, though stranger things have happened). Meanwhile, my boy Omac, keeps keeping on, and with a bit of luck with injury will play his 100th game of AFL footy next season.

It's funny you should say that, the one knock on JVR is he's not always a one grabber (though much better than weed in that regard - and i reckon having to ruck is a factor as he'soften gassed) And Jackson isn't a one grabber either. Hopefully Jefferson breaks the trend of our young key forwards not clunking their marks.

Good points, well made. But I think you have misinterpreted what I was saying. I wasn't making a case for the clarry situation all being a media creation, or that the mongers are the big bad wolf. As I have previously noted, I don't blame the mongers for their nonsense, I blame the collective us - they are simply giving us what we want. A demand and supply equation. I never suggested there wasn't some veracity to the monger's gossip, or their narrative was created out of whole cloth. And because i didn't mention the club or the players doesn't mean I don't think they have contributed to the palaver. They have. Like you, i don't discount what the mongers say. Their is clearly some stuff to sort out. But what that stuff is, where the truth lies, who is the problem etc etc isn't the point I was making. My point was about the Heisenberg observer effect's ("the act of observing a system will influence what is being observed") relevance for how dramas in footy is covered. Perhaps it is a stretch, but the analogy I'm making is the mongers 'observe' a scenario or situation, like clarry's, and influence what is being observed - ie create a narrative. Pull together theories, supposition and hearsay and bind them with some facts (eg clarry met with the cats). Footy fans 'observe' that narrative, but always want more (just look at how the tracc and clarry threads exploded and grew as evidence of that). And the mongers, keen for clicks are happy to give then more - even if it means less facts and more supposition and 'my sources say'. So the fans influence what is being observed. And that feedback loop keeps looping. For example "Pert unilaterally shopped clarry". True or false? Who knows. But a monger suggests it is true, fans accept it and amplify it all over the place. It soon becomes accepted as fact, when there is zero hard evidence it happened (which doesn't mean it didn't of course). Conjecture has matatisised into fact. Perception is reality. "Oliver hurt he was shopped and wants out" True or false? Who knows. But lets say its true - logic suggests all the white noise would have played a part in clarry wanting out. The observers have influenced what is being observed. And we end up with a story that feels much bigger than in reality it actually is. I mean the proof is in the pudding - the bloke is staying.

Was thinking something very similar. I wondered if claz needed another rocket, perhaps after some backsliding (eg brownlow night carry on), similar to the threats to trade him last year, but needed a new bad cop.