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And we'd have plenty of posters saying that despite sitting 2nd on the ladder we are shot, having lost 3 of our last 5 (which is Carlton's record in their last 5 games - with their two wins being against the 18th placed tigers and a lucky 19 point win over the 17th placed roos). The blues actually provide a good objectivity test case. Do posters think, with their record, that the blues are toast now?

On this, 5 day breaks are simply ridiculous (albeit helpful to my punting bank because their mpact is so predictable). Yet another example of the AFL putting profit ahead of running an elite competition.

The blues were clearly paddling from half way through the third. One goal in the second half, none in rhe last.

So you're actually helping the players with your critisism?

Punters have backed dees into favouritism:

Four, five if you count Jefferson: roo, kolt, disco, jeffo and Windsor. This is exactly why I like to lean into known facts rather than the where there's smoke palaver. Known fact #1 Mutiple players have recently recommitted to the MFC. Of the top of my head, that list includes: jeffo, roo chin, Petty, Windsor, the kolt, AMW (I think) and disco - and I'm probably missing some. Apply Occam's razor to the question of why so many players, particularly young guns who would def get picked up by other clubs, have decided their medium term future lies with dees. What is the answer?

Our drop in intercept marks is related to our changed method, ie greater focus on transition and turnover. And it is exacerbated by having o tracc, Gus and clarry not at his best as we are now often having even numbers at stoppages. In normal circumstances, even playing a turnover game, we have one less at stoppages and extra behind the ball - who takes intercept marks. And with our current mid situation we ate less effective at applying pressure to the oppo mids who win a clearance - pressure that would force a dump kick that creates a intercept mark opportunity.

Of course it wasn't nothing. Which is why he has been able to play as well as he has. Despite having a very limited preseason and having a badly broken hand that required surgery (that he is clearly still struggling with) Oliver has been our best mid this season. And that's also despite playing a different role - a defensive mid. A role that no doubt he is playing because of his limited preseason (because he doesn't have his breakaway speed and stamina). It must be so frustrating for clarry, a bloke used to being a walk up AA. He is working his guts out week on week out. Just look at him at the end of each quarter - he's spent. He knows he's not near his optimal condition and knows there is little he can do about that in season. Because he is so far off his peak condition he is often starting on the bench and is only playing 72% game time this season (I think the lowest of any regular best 22). He's working hard by all accounts on his wellbeing and off field stuff. Doing what is asked of him, including the things like the koz trip home. And on top of all of that had to put up with the peanut gallery in the media taking lazy pot shots - peanuts who are predominantly ex footballers who know all about fitness and preseasons, and so are simply gaslighting footy fans. Wouldn't it be great if clarry, who by all accounts is a really nice young man, had the full support of dees SUPPORTERS who instead of amplifying misinformation the media spews out for clicks, ratings and profit pushed back and got behind him. Or at the very least bothered to educate themselves about some basic facts about AFL football circa 2024 - for example the impact of interrupted preseasons and in season injury and surgery on elite athletes.

Settle down fella.

Not sure. Tim's brother?

HD, your position in Goodwin is well argued but you completely undercut them with this sort of reductionist palaver. There's a name for it, which I can't recall off the top of my head, but has become an ubiquitous strategy in modern discourse, particularly online discourse. It's a brutally effective strategy designed to do exactly the opposite of the complaint - silence the views of others. Accusation as projection. It forces people into binary positions and makes a nuanced debate or mature exploration of a topic all but impossible. Which of course is the key aim. I didn't start this thread. I did however do the bit on the podcast the OP references, which is me making a case Goodwin is a legend of the club and dees fans should get behind him. That was it. I never said during my bit that goody was above criticism. I have criticised goody plenty over the journey (ironically those critisims included his handling of jack Watts and jessie hogan - ironic because I got wacked for those views) And perhaps i missed it, but I don't recall reading a single post on here, or anywhere for that matter, that said posters 'must never question his wisdom or coaching'. If there was such a post perhaps you can point me to it. Of course the great irony is the people using this strategy, consciously or unconsciously, are often the same people complaining their opinions are shut down. Ironic because as noted the strategy works to silence the voices and opinions of others - to shut down conversation. It's a form of gaslighting that is particularly effective because instead of discussing substantive things and the core issues at hand (in this case whether goody can be considered a legend of the MFC) discussion devolves into being about the right to express contrary views and grievance. It one of the reasons (along with others like peurile personal attacks and deliberately misrepresenting my systed opinions) there is a vanishingly small number of posters on DL these days that i can be bothered having a robust debate with.

Four years is a big commitment Petty signs a three year deal and disco a two year deal. Great vote of confidence in the club, goody and the direction we're going. What odds Harley Reid signs a four year extension at the Eagles? Top work Tom Lamb.

True nuff.

That and form. They have won all of one more game than us. And like us have won three of their last five games. Punters assess games more objectively and strip out emotion than fans of participating teams.

#Don't shoot the messenger but the punters have this game as basically a toss up:

The problem is jeffo hasn't been playing consistently well in the VFL. In fact the only consistent thing about his career thus far is how inconsistent both his performances, and of more concern, his effort has been. Take the game against Frankston. With the rain, terrible day for forwards so he gets a pass on his performance. But effort is a non-negotiable and his was poor. Compare and contrast Jefferson's second season in the VFL to JVR's first season in the VFL. Chalk and cheese.

@Webber might not have chosen to create this thread! But the content of the rant would be the same.

I'm glad our loss to freo has given the face palm posse an opportunity to take their pots shots at me. I'm not going to bother to defend my opinion on goody other than to say if you listened to my rant and think a loss this weekend gone changes my opinion that goody is a legend of the MFC for the record he has established in his 8 years as senior coach then you have serious comprehension issues. And if you haven't listened to it but feel the need to come on here to have a pot-shot at me when you dont even know what i said then I live in your head rent free and perhaps you need to put me on ignore for your own well being as my opinions are clearly very triggering.

Agree on all points. Yes, I think more reliant on stoppages. I wonder if we'll continue to even up at stoppages in every game now.

Game style Very similar to the dons in some ways – high uncontested possession numbers (Bombers AFL #1 and Freo #4) And a similar use of handballs to the the dons And like the dons like to use of the width of the ground to try to spread their opponents and create overlap opportunities BUT Freo much more prepared to go lateral and hold possession That was their template against us when they thrashed us in the Alice = though they didn’t need dot hold it up much as we weren’t getting across to cover as we clearly had dead legs But we are a very different team now in terms of our running power, dynamism and all team defence We’ll be more than happy to let them hold onto the ball as it means we can get our d set And will likely use very similar tactics as we did against the bombers to make it more difficult to chain out of stoppages and create overlap handball chains by creating congestion around stoppages, applying pressure on the ball carrier and frontal pressure on the receiver in the chain Prediction Dees to crack in hard at it and apply too much pressure and be too strong in the contest for Freo Take our chances early and we win by 17 after leading by 32 late in the last

That increased focus on territory and contest is what I meant by moving to a hybrid method combining the old method and the transition model. A big watch for mine is scores from defensive half, which with scores from turnover, is a key metric for the transition game and has become a key indicator for success. On the espn footy pod (which is good, but frustrating because one of the hosts is dead set anti dees and it colours his analysis of us), Christian from champion data noted we are bottom four for points for from our defensive half, and of more concern also points against from defensive half. That's concerning in terms of our transition game. The key questions for mine are: - are we able to improve those numbers (we have improved points for in the last few weeks, but not really points against the back half) - our 2021 flag win was an outlier in terms of the dees being one of only two teams in, iirc, 19 years to win the flag and not be top 6 in scores from turnover. My question is whether the hybrid model goody is implementing is less reliant on defending scores from turnover and from the defensive half.

Yep, I was referring to pressure rating differential. I think I heard hoyne say (or perhaps espn footy) last year that it was the strongest correlation to winning. It was in the context of the pies being an outlier, and when playing their dynamic back half on the first half of last season were unusual because they often had negative pressure rating differential. The explanation was related to their method- fast ball movement, lots of uncontested possessions ans run in space.

How about win rate for winning the pressure ratings?