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What's better than watching the bombers get rolled? Getting $3.10 for a crows win.

One Skinner does not a spring make.

When jack steps on a nail, the nail needs the tetanus shot.

Did you run the numbers on the hard ball get in terms of win rate?

Great work wheelo. So win cp by 1 to 10 = 70% win Win cp by 10 plus = 79% win And a 'blow out' is 85% win What's a blow out?

Woey injured with a bad corky. Billings had 32 disposals and two goals in the VFL last week. Played well. Laurie did too, so a tad unlucky.

Agree with all of that. And to be honest I have no real issue with click bait journalism as such. As BDA notes it is a buyers market, and if the market demands rubbish that's what it gets. But the issue in the coverage of AFL football is, unlike in other spheres like politics, click bait and pantomime is all but the ONLY coverage option. I've been complaining on demonland for years about the quality of the media coverage of AFL. Not unreasonably, the advice I often received is, well don't watch the rubbish - advice I've largely heeded. The problem is it leaves almost no football media to consume. In fact it has pretty much left me with 45 mins a week of Daniel Hoyne on sen and the abc 12-1 on Sunday (and even that is border line given the prominence of mathouse, who is really out there). The problem this click bait monopoly creates is it completely drives and shapes the narrative. And let's be honest shapes the opinions of Joe footy public. Take the discussion of trading Oliver. It was a discussion that commenced last seaon and was premised on the idea he was bad for culture. That has been put to bed to a large degree because he and the club have done a brilliant job of getting back on track on that front. Now it's premised on his form this season. Which is where the problem starts. Any discussion on his form is based on a comparison to his best football. Which is fair enough - but only to a degree. If the hysteria theatre was balanced by some level headed footy media content the misinformation would be counter balanced by facts. One of which is that by any measure clarry is actually having a pretty good season. Don't believe me? Go check his rankings on footy wire or wheeloratings. Clarry is ranked highly and is ahead of lots of excellent mids accross mutiple kpis for mids. Or pick a couple of gun mids and compare their seasons. And please spare me I don't need stats to tell me what my eyes and vibes tell me. That just echoes the approach the lazy media take (who often double down on lazy by picking one or two stats in isolation to buttress their vibes based rubbish). One example. I compared clarry's season to Sam Walsh on wheeloratings and Walsh has him covered- but not by much. Walsh's player rating is 14.5 and clarry's is 11.15. Walsh is averaging 5.7 disposals per game more than clarry, but we know clarry has been playing a defensive mid role. Despite Walsh having more disposals, their contested possessions and centre clearance numbers are almost the same. So sure, cornes and McClure have at it with your over the top faux hysteria. But how about introducing some facts into the discussion. And when it comes to clarry rather than swallowing the click bait hook and sinker and echoing the views of fools like Morris, dees fans might do their own research and push back on false narratives the media push.

Agree. And there will mutiple games from now on where contenders are playing teams who are def out of the finals race who have put the cue in the rack.

Right you are. Meant ocean Grove. Wrote Torquay.

Sorry, not sure I follow. He did a preseason, it was just interrupted. Why play him? Because despite his fitness level he remains out best mid. And his current level is above that of 80% of mids playing the game.

Foe players who uninterrupted preseasons, once the season starts fitness is simply maintained at the level they commenced the season at. At best. Players who have a preseason as interrupted as clarry did might get a bit fiuyer because they are coming off a low base, but its all but impossible to get to their optimal level - unless they do a "mini preseason" at some point, like bbb did one year (which means no games).

Or billings

Nup. Forgot about it to be honest. An all time favorite gig of mine was seeing Social Youth, supported by Bored, at the Colendena Hotel in Torquay Only about 200 people there. Just a crazy good gig.

From Madonna's official website: HOLIDAY TO BE SAMPLED BY THE AVALANCHES March 30, 2001 According NME, Madonna's 17 year old classic 1980's Hit single Holiday is to appear on a new album by The Avalanches. Now, the classic celebration of life hit single will soon be sampled in an instrumental version on the album track Stay Another Season. A spokesman for The Avalanches said, When Madonna went into her office with the new CD, she listened to it and then said the band could use the sample. They never expected to use it but they were really pleased she let them do it. The new album by The Avalanches called Since I left You will be on sale in music stores everywhere on April 15th.

Sick burn bro

Totally agree. I reckon it's certainly the most influential in terms of its impact on music internationally. DJ shadow's endtroducing and since i left you changed the use of sampling from hooks and background effects in dance tracks and hip hop to being an instrument in its own right. Both stand up still too. Fun fact - Madonna has never approved one of her songs being sampled, until allowing avalanches to sample holiday on that album. Which was crazy because at the time avalanches weren't even.a thing. Just some unknown guys Australia recording an.album that at the time had no applicable genre I think ink I'm right in saying it's still the only sample Madonna has approved. Avalanches recent music is awesome too by the by.

It's also quite fun watching self styled iconoclasts unable to resist the need to make such comments. 'oh you silly fan boys you are all so silly taking the bait. It doesnt bother me of course that you do, but i'm a rugged individual above such ridiculousness and I find you all so funny' I mean, seriously, other people critising cornes rings your bell so much you feel the need to post about your discomfort (dressed up as derision)? You seemingly have no insight into the irony and contradiction at work here.

The footy media is a complete joke. As is the coverage of games. Those two things intersected on Saturday night. It was a text book example of woeful coverage and how the paper thin standard of 'reporting' leads to misinformation - misinformation skewed to make people, in this case clarry, look bad and gin up some faux controversy. I couldn't make the game because I was sick, so had to watch the game on TV. At the start of the second quarter Ling proclaims that clarry only had one possession and said he thinks (but implied he did) Goody gave clarry a bake at quarter time and challenged him to lift. That gets repeated through the coverage and morphs into a statement of fact. Clarry gets going and the implication is he is responding positively to the bake. Straight after the game Rivers is interviewed and is asked about the bake Goody gave clarry at quarter time. Riv looks genuinely perplexed and says hw didn't realise goody had given clarry a bake, and talked abour how hard clarry worked. Given Rivers is actually in the quarter time huddle you'd think he know if goody got stuck into clarry. It's not 'till next day that I learn on demonland that clarry had spent a big part of the first quarter on the bench, seemingly as part of a successful strategy to help ensure he runs out the game. Did anyone bother to check his minutes on the bench, data they actually include in the coverage? So clarry not given a bake, nor challenged to lift and not responding to that challenge when he racks up 25 odd disposals in the next 3 quarters. His game wasn't part of some peurile redemption, heroes and villans narrative the football media is obsessed with. The losers in this patethetic high school patomine? Clarry gets another wack from the media - he's miles off it, and needs a boot up the bum to get going. Goody gets no credit for the clever use of clarry to maximise his impact when the whips are cracking in the last quarter (noting we have struggled to run out games). But most of all football fans who are fed bulltish and treated like fools.

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Good question. Yes, is the short answer. Using the theory the first third of the season gives us a more accurate read of form than the middle third, this was the ladder after round 8 (Note: we had a much tougher fixture and schedule than Freo. And it's also worth noting like us they also lost to west coast - but it was round six so mid season loads not a factor)

And like you, I'm happy for mcvee to stay at half back. One, he really is a brilliant defender. He reads the ball super well, backs himself in to beat his opponent to the ball, really good one on one and is surprisingly strong in the contest. But perhaps of most importance is how important his brilliant kicking is out of defence, one because it creates scoring chains but also he doesn't turn the ball over in our back half. Moving daicos on ball has hurt the pies I reckon. He is brilliant in the middle of course, but they have sorely missed his kicking out of defence and how calm he was in the back half. Def one of the factors as in their turnover, transition game falling of a cliff. Mcvee is our daicos. Use AMW as the lock down small defender, freeing Judd to be a dangerous high half back flankers.

TJ is a great comparison in terms of how he moves and his ball use. I reckon mcvee is a bit more hard at it than TJ. Judd's baby face belies his toughness.

That's the biggest load of old cobblers I've ever read. But illuminating - the penny has just dropped. Couldn't stay away huh? That's funny. Timing's right. Pop up when we start losing. Alas, like clock work the good form and wins return. So I guess you be leaving soon. In the meantime, see ya.

By the by, credit where it is due. Goody has embraced the transition model you discussed way back 2022. And iirc you also were strong on the physical challenge of the model we used week in week out - which I think is arguably the biggest factor in our changed method - keep the troops fresher for finals and not so banged up.

I hear what you are saying rp, but one of my major frustrations about the discussion is what I see as a complete myth that it was a 'binary fascination' and that those who were wanting to discuss were implying it was the only factor. People such as myself, and several others I could point to, have been at pains to clarify that it not an excuse and there are any number of other factors in the mix (for example tactics, method, psychology, form et etc) And besides such voices were, and remain, decidedly in the minority so were hardly shutting down conversation about the topics you note. But I do agree the discussion became tedious, and I am as much to blame for that ss anyone, so I'll go back to not discussing it.