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binman

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  1. I find this tweet interesting in terms of it being fairly representative of what I see as JVR being underrated by many in the media, and even some DL posters. It's almost as if some have forgotten next season will be just his third at an AFL club and that he has only played one season at AFL level. One of the maxims of footy is key position players take time to develop. Perhaps JVR gets marked down becuase he is not that tall but his first season at AFL level was, by any historical measure, incredible for a key forward. The last two key forwards i can think of that had a similar impact so early were probably Charlie Curnow and Jesse Hogan. I'm no doubt forgetting some players but in my mind i have to go back to Johnathan Brown for a key forward that had the impact of JVR at the same age. Brown is actually a pretty good comparison. He was heavier but about the same height and like JVR wasn't a high draft pick. And JVR plays in a similar way - super competitive, wills himself to the contest, and uses his strength in marking contests. And their numbers when both 20 are pretty similar (by the by in this comparison it's worth noting the key difference is Brown averaged more mark per game. But all key forward would have taken more marks because there were no defensive zones being used and much more pure one on ones. More possessions too, which i think is reasonable knock on JVR's game. That said JVR clearly did more ruck work, which is impressive given he is 10kg lighter than Brown at the same age) Player Statistics Comparison Jacob Van Rooyen Name Jonathan Brown Melbourne Demons Team Brisbane Lions Forward Position Forward 20 Career Games 256 Claremont Origin Geelong Falcons April 16, 2003 Date of Birth October 29, 1981 20yr 6mth Age Turned 20 in 2001 193cm Height 194cm 91kg Weight 102kg 2021 National Draft Last Drafted In 1999 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 2, Pick #30 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Brisbane Lions 2023 Stats for Season 2001 20 Games 25 4.5 Kicks 8.7 4.2 Handballs 5.2 8.7 Disposals 13.9 3.1 Marks 6.3 1.4 Goals 1.5 0.5 Behinds 0.9 2.1 Tackles 1.2 3.7 Hitouts 0.7 Brown went on to become a generational player. I'm not saying JVR will too but i am saying that in all likelihood, with another preseason - only his second full one - he will significantly improve next season. He will be stronger - and perhaps even more importantly fitter meaning he will be less prone to fading towards the end of the season as happened this year and will get to more contests which will mean more possessions. And he will get bigger too - broader across the shoulders and perhaps heavier. And that growth will continue until he he is 24-25 like it does for all bigs. He'll have way more impact next season and will continue to do so year on year until his mid twenties. Some might say beware the second year blues, but it's not his second year next season, its his third. A big tick for the way the club has handled his development. My point is that in terms of assessing our forward line the narrative and/or implication seems be that JVR will not offer anymore than he did this season and is not a player to build a forward line around. That may be prove to be true i guess but significant improvement is much more likely when you consider the trajectory of other gun key forwards. And if he does go up a level, a forward line with JVR and Petty as the two key forward matches up pretty well against any other team in the AFL, particularly given the role of the key forward now is almost more about ensuring the opposition don't intercept mark than kick goals. You only need to look at who scored goals during the finals for evidence of that. Looking at the 8 finalists, and the crows because they are on the up and the cats just because, the two key forwards for each team are: Pies: Miochek and Mcstay Lions: Daniher and Hipwood Blues: Curnow and Mckay Port: Marshall and Dixon Giants: Hogan and Riccardi (?) Swans: Amartey and Mcdonald Saints: King and Owens Crows: Walker and Fogerty Cats: Hawkins and Cameron Of that list i would argue only the Blues, Lions and Saints two keys will likely be better next season than JVR and Petty. But not miles better, particularly given come the high pressure, forward half, defensive footy being played in finals bigs struggle to get one on one marking opportunities or kick goals. By way of example of that latter point few would argue that Carlton don't have the two best tall forwards in McKay and Curnow. Noting that Mckay only played 2 finals, across the Blues' three finals they could only manage a combined 5 goals between them (Curnow 3, Mackay 2). To be fair De Koning kicked two in the dees game when he was basically replacing Mckay's role. So lets say 7 across three finals for their two key talls. Hardly earth shattering. By the by its worth remembering we didn't have JVR or Petty in the semi. Instead we had Tmac (at least i'm pretty sure i saw him) and Smith (!) as our two key talls. And we still should have won!
  2. How noble of them to abandon their pursuit of a contracted player at a rival club. What a stand up club.
  3. Tracc, Clarry and Max were our three worst in terms of kicks inside 50 to score ratio. Not sure where Gus ranked but i doubt he set the work on fire in that area. Our best? Nibbla.
  4. Agree. I'd add that a key difference between us and the two grand finalists is that both the Lions and Pies have goal kicking mids and utilities/half forward flankers. We don't. More than half the goals in the grand final were kicked by such players. On a perfect day for footy key tall forwards only contributed 4 of the 25 goals kicked (Daniher 3 and Mihocek 1). Hill and Cameron, both small crumbing forwards, kicked 7 between them, meaning the two forward lines (ie specialist forwards) combined only contributed 11 of the 25 goals kicked. Mids and utilities/half forward flankers contributed 14 of the 25 goals kicked: Collingwood: Hill 4, Crisp 2, De Goey 2, N.Daicos, Mihocek, Pendlebury, Sidebottom Brisbane: Cameron 3, Daniher 3, Bailey 2, McCarthy 2, McCluggage 2, Robertson Compare the above to our goals in the semi against the blues (also perfect conditions), where only two of our goals came from non forwards (compared to the Blues 5): Melbourne: Smith 3, Pickett 2, Fritsch 2, Langdon, Petracca Carlton: De Koning 2, Walsh 2, Motlop 2, Acres 2, Kennedy, Curnow, Owies We have a much, much greater need for goal kicking mids and utilities/half forward flankers (eg Bailey, McCarthy, McCluggage, Daicos etc) that can also reliably hit targets than we do for key forwards.
  5. Early next year i think was the qualifier (ie as opposed to next season). I hope that proves to be correct
  6. Forget us posters. How about the professionals whose full time job is to make list decisions that help us win a flag. It would appear these professionals have seemingly determined a key forward is not a major priority. Given the comparative expertise of your average DL poster and the recruiting team at the elite AFL level i think it is reasonable to put more weight in the latter's assessment of our current list needs. Ipso facto, i'm happy to go with trading in a key forward is not not a major priority. In other words she’ll be right.
  7. Repeat after me. We. Do. Not. Have. Forward. Line. Issues. A forward line with Petty, Fritter, JVR, Koz, Nibbla and Chandler is easily as strong as the Pies forward line that netted them a flag: Mihocek, Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginivan and Frampton. Even if you swap Frampton for McStay, it is still no better than our lineup And that's not even factoring in that despite being completely written of by most fans both Tmac and BB could still offer something next year and Jefferson is still developing. Which is not to say a gun key forward wouldn't help, but for good reason it clearly isn't a major priority.
  8. Strange thing to 'big on'. If I was cornes I think I might be more focused on how port could improve their woeful defence.
  9. Geez they are getting good centre clearance action.
  10. Or perhaps don't ever bother to try and understand what the draft is or what it is trying to achieve and pass altogether.
  11. What do these players all have in common? None finished in the top 10 of the bluey. Hold on that's not the case. Having finished 9th last season, Nibbla finished 6th this season.
  12. Oh please - what is it with the 'email the club to express my frustration' palaver. You dont think they have better things to do than respond to fans critiques? Please. I encourage my fellow demonlanders to not contact the club to bag them out.
  13. You are probably right old. But what i would say is there is a different culture in rugby league in terms of players announcing they are leaving during the season and continuing to be super committed to the club they are leaving and playing at a very high level. There were two such players in the Penrith team that payed in their incredible GF win. I'm not sure the same culture exists in the AFL. It certainly doesn't in terms of announcing they are leaving mid season, but i wonder if it is more common for some such players to perhaps not go full tilt once they have decided they are leaving than it is in RL. I'm not saying that's the case for Brodie but it is a possibility. And whilst i'll happily give him the benefit of the doubt, i'll also give the club the benefit of the doubt (ie there is a chance, albeit slight, that there hand was forced in terms of not selecting Brodie for the finals - which by the by I would have preferred he was). It's worth remembering too that we didn't axe brodie, he asked to be traded. For understandable reasons he wanted out, but the fact remains he could have chosen to stay and make it work. And perhaps if he had done so he might have been selected and he might be premiership player.
  14. This times 1000. As Scott said on 360, what do you think Maynard would have done in that exact scenario, ie jumping to smother from a distance, at training and he was about to collide into a teammate. Does anyone seriously think he would have turned his body to and hit his teammate in the head with his shoulder? Or, as you suggest put his hands out to protect his teammate, which is the instinctive reaction (unless you are a thug). Even if just falling over face first, say onto a mattress, the instinctive reaction is to put both hands out in front to brace for impact and cushion the fall - not turn and hit the ground shoulder first. I cant believe the biomechanics expert was not asked about the the latter point (ie 'what is the instinctive, natural way to break a fall?') And i can't believe Maynard was not asked how he would have acted in the same situation at training. Scratch that. I can believe it. The fix was in.
  15. Living in a city where he went to boarding school is a draw? Because he has such fond memories of being hazed by wealthy country boys?
  16. You misunderstood my question.
  17. A serious question. Do you think there is a chance they didn't pick Grundy becuase they were worried he wouldn't be all in for fear of getting injured and scuppering a move to Bondi?
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