Demon17

In the q and a of last week's forum Goodwin was asked about ruthlessness and he had no idea. Consequntly i think nathan jones is a shoe in to reach 300.

Whats the significance of orange tops for some, Trac, Jackson.....

I see the framework for a great succession plan- if needed. Yze first senior gig, with Choco offeering wisdom and experience as needed as well as ratcheting up talent developemnt big time

Brilliant appointment. You make an interesting observation too re Goodwin. Do you reckon Williams won't be forthcoming on views and feedback etc. I doubt it, which is why the appt. is a good one. Plus a great developer of talent. Well done to Pert, or whomever drove this deal.

Fair point. Thanks. Its as if possibly he couldn't get Dew so opted out of the selection process. He definitely didn't leave Goodwin with any upskilling give Roos strategy pedigree. (He sort of invented the stoppage pressure game) Or so demetriou said.

I do watch him and love him as a Dees palyer. But gee I wish he could hit up a target inside 50. Or even hit the scoreboard himself. But as an inside player, he has no equal.

Not what the article says exactly. The Bombers spoke with Trigg and Wayne Campbell but they "...were'nt offered the job..." You suggest they were and knocked it back.

Don't agree. He couldnt get his man (Dew) because the swans rightfully enforced their contractual rightds - not Roos fault, nor Dew's. Roos stopped the bleeding and gave us some self respect. Set it up beautifully for Goodwin. Who so far has wasted that chance big time. Think Final round 2017, 2018 prelim car crash, 2019, Cairns 2020.

Just a natural progression for Mahoney. Missing CEO role alsways meant he would leave for other opportunities. Good for both him and Pert. Pert now can get someone he may or may not prefer and a good chance for the club to refresh. Best wishes to him. Done as much as he could with us, and he can't go on the ground and kick the ball. Up to Goodwin and the players now.

Thanks Werridee. Very interesting and a great thought - starter. Just could you clarify is someone's position on the list is due to their importance to the team if they played their role correctly, or is it becuase of their talent, latent or otherwise. for example, I don't think Viney is near No. 2 but you might think if he played to his ability and in his best role, he is the number 2 in team value? Thus why is Lever higher than MAy - because of his intercept acpability which you value more highly than May's lockdown ability? Can you expand? Thanks

Good call, And just as important is the off field support he's got over the journey. e.g Getting in Steven May, probably Ben Brown, good recruiting (Luke Jackson and others), Darren Burgess. Adem Yze, Gawn as skipper, (I'm ambivalant on Richardson, but they went and got him in for a reason I presume, which escapes me up to now) No excuses for a minimum 2 finals wins IMO.

Give Dazzle a break. he just missed a comma thats all. Sould have said "...Death, Taxes ......etc)

Lets look at scoreboard pressure - a amjor sign of a great midfielder. 1 goal in every 3 games, In comparison, Kevin Bartlett, 1.9 goals per game albeit he played later as a forward, Gary Ablett Jnr. - 1.3 goals per game, accuracy Even Craig Bradly - 2 gaols avey 3 games. Oliver is top notch for endeavour and courage, and is a serious acumulatr and initiator of moves to the outside, but gee I wish he would hacve more impact that his numbers suggest he could.

AGree that the damaging by foot is not his strength and his status until then will not be in the 'Great' category. It reminds of a comment once by kevin Sheedy, when he said he didn't necessarily count all of Robert harvey's disposals as meaningful, and was happy that he got them where he did - in non- damaging areas of the field.

Possibly. My point is teh club squibbed the resoning by rolling out a justifcation to them personally. Just say "... Look wev'e overpaid you both and its stuffed up our salary cap modelling ..." Sorry.

Exactly RJay. Their Board would have signed off on all the big contarcts - Treloer, Grundy etc. But Buckley's laying the blame on the senior players re: Treloar and '.. Im just passing on the feedback..." type comments, along with ignoring Stephenson is a disgrace and will be an ongoing blight on his reputation. Leader? - you're joking. Stephenson was likely troubled in his gambling year big time, media pile on etc, and then a maojr illness pre-season. What did they think was going to happen to the kid. He's only 21 for gawds sake. Message: Don't own up to mental illness or fraility at the Pies - your on your own.

Good point on Viney. It would greatly improve defensve forward pressure with him in the vicinity.

History actually says over the past 20 years its more lke 2.6 teams. Rounded up to 3. I like your analysis, but I see the saints , albet the current media darlings, as the most vulnerable.

Good call here. I have very little confidenece in the coaching panel to effectively deal with the ' see ball - kick ball' mentality of the midfield into the forward half for which I hold the panel esponsible. During 2020 when the eyes were miraculously lowrered for a few weeks it all came together , but made a big impact in the media and on here because its such a rarity to see of this team. It lasted maybe 3 weeks then back to old habits. Whcih midfield coach will fix - which forward coach will fix. Adem Yze will be a hero if he can do something on this .

Fair point Nascent. I don't believe any 'inside info', just looking at the equation.

Surely the alarm bells are ringing. Why the discrepancy and whats wrong with Brown? Without a satisfactory answer this should be a No Deal IMO. And not the standard cliche about wanting a new start. What's really happening here?

Bombers.

He barracks for the Bombers

Not necessarily. Its an elitist stadium and most locals couldn't afford the members reserved seat prices even if they wanted to attend a match. Very little GA seating in comparison to the rest of the ground. Community facilites in name only - try booking them. Tehy even objectd to Western melb Soccer using the ground when free last year. Further, the amount of Capex into this ground is sucked away from other deserving and more global infrastructure, such as the arts precinct, galleries etc. The new Library was only just finished a few years ago after decades of waiting - but not Kardinia Park. They got it when they neeeded it. And most games are never fully booked, looking at the records for 2019. So where is the demand.? Drop prices so more people could attend - you must be joking. Business benefits - locals will tell you its only the restaurants etc on a home game day after a win that benefit, but even now, most games are at night anyway. Don't get me started on this rort.

Exactly. And bear in mind Stafford did play as a forward for a few early years and his accuracy record histrorically in those years was up with Dunstall and the very best. He knows how to kick, but can he instruct smaller players who likely have varying actions?