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Rhino I did not intentional turn this into an assessment of Ottens. Started out on TJ. He did not give us the value we expected from a No.1 pick However he gave me a lot of joy (and some heart ache ) over the journey. At the time we traded him I thought it was foolish to trade the best kick we had when most of the team were struggleing to hit a barn door from 30 meters. However we got Grimes as a result so as in numerous times in the past the FD at The Dees knew a lot more than me. But it is entertaining to discuss these things at this time of the year. Lets hope this time next year we are arguing over why Melbourne finished 5th and not 4th.

Good grief Guys sorry I started all this! I only said I was sad it ended this way with Cam. And I hope he has success in the future! If that is a GF victory so be it. Lets get on with 2011.

Well that probably is where it ends. We have a difference of opinion that will not change. Go Dees

Rhino luck is a fortune. He arrived at Geelong at just the right time. If you look at his performances at the Cats he has had about 20 good games which happen to be finals performances over 2- 3 years in Championship teams. The first year at Geelong everyone was saying they gave away far too much to get him. Reminds me of Jack Hawkins. In any other club he would be delisted by now. Just lucked out on being around in the great Geelong era. Both will fad away when Geelong drops this year.

So be it DC but I will have a smile when I see him do well at the Hawks.

It just surprises me the ill feeling you have for Bruce! He gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years. In today's football world Players are chewed up and spat out at the whim of the Club. So if a player decides to leave after a long service so be it. It does not make him a bum just part of the system. I still hope he achieves what he could not at the DEES. Numerous other MFC players have done similar over the years and I have no doubt others will in the future.

Now the last bit I like. However I think we are both dreaming! But as someone famous once said "don't take my dreams away as I will have nothing left"!

Move on it is 22 years ago.

E25 you smell of sour grapes. Bruce gave his all to the MFC. Like most players he was not perfect. I Cannot remember a finals match we played in that he cost us the game. However i can think of ten others who performed a lost worse. Have a little grace where he is concerned. Whats up your nose so much about the hawks? They are just another competitor and a lot better than a alot of the others eg. Collingwood or Essendon.

Well we are not going to and I would rather the Hawks than the Pies or a number of others I can think of.

I just feel sad! He played through a lot of poor years at the Dees. Gave us a lot of good games. It was not his fault we did not win a Flag through his years. I truely hope the Hawks win a flag this year and he is on the ground when it happens. Good luck Bruce you gave your all for the Dees for a long time.

I think you are right, Ottens I think went at no.2 to Richmond. He never produced at the Tigers and they eventually flung him. I think we got the better of those two. As numerous people have said drafting is not an exact science. Lots of players drafted in the top ten only ever become average players. But higher picks like Goodes become Brownlow winners!

I agree with you HT, we need a bit more mongrel in our side. All the really good sides have at least one [censored]. I am a little tired of all the "nice boys" at the Dees I would like a bit more agro on the field if that is Moloney so be it.

Take a deep breath H, The guy did not live up to his No.1 status however he played a lot of good games for the Dees and hardly deserves that. And remember it is only a game and it is December. Chill out Christmas is only 14 days away.

You are correct Rhino it appears they only discovered it after Cripps attended his first training session. My info is that most people knew of his problem the exception was St kilda, seems no one in the recruiting department either knew or did they did not inform the coach etc. prior to the draft! Either way I think it was the straw that broke the camels back. RL it appears has been unhappy with this area for some time. He had better win one in the next couple of years as he has cleaned out just about everyone from before his time.

Me too DC unlike St kilda! Did you see Chief recruiter at the saints has left. Pushed do you think? just happens to be a coincide with the discovery that one of their draftees ( Jamie Cripps ) suffers from Diabetes. Do you think someone at the saints missed something in their research! Seems There has been a big clean out at the saints, 6 from the FD this year.

Now we have got to the bottom of things! just remember the soccer boys and the olympics boys Are in the top two positions for the World Honesty Stakes ( lack of it that is )Championship". It beggars belief that we ever thought Australia would win. I feel too many people were too scared to say "we cannot win" for fear of being seen to be negative and un australian.

What do you mean Chips was not available! And why was "Skippy" not included. We did not have her "clicks" in the presentation, a major gaff and I am sure she would have been better than the cartoon version.

I do not believe it E25 this is the second time this week we are in agreement. I am glad we are not donating Aussie Tax payers money to this mob. They run the Olympics a close second in the honesty stakes!

God we are getting on! My father starting taking me from the late 50's but to be honest the only one I can remember is 64 as a teenager. and you are correct it has been a long time between drinks. I hope we both live long enough to see the next one.

Well DC I will take back what I said yesterday, after seeing the real thing I like both. And this time I will not comment further on our jumpers till 2011!

Well DOF I am of a similar vintage to you I think, to be honest all I can remember about the Jumper from the 60's is it had a dark blue body with a red yoke and a collar and Red socks. With either white or black shorts. I quite liked last years home jumper. And at the end of the day winning games in our traditional blue body with a red yoke is what turns my top soil. So bring it on!

Well DC I said I would not be back till 2011 However could not wait! Both new jumpers leave me cold however the look will change when they have numbers and on a human in real life (I hope) but when we win 12 games next year I will not care! Looked up the other lines on the site and I actually like those a lot more than this year. There are a number of items there that I would consider buying. Not a lot of "demons" in the designs! Not sure what happened to "Bring back the Demon"

Thanks DD but we still do not know what position he played!

Oh Please DC lets not go there till at least Jan 2011 arrives!