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Without even going any further than your first point and irrespective of its merits, there's a list managent committee composed of (AFAIK) Goodwin, Richardson, Lamb and Jason Taylor. i.e., all of these calls are collective, with recruitment and identification of talent being Taylor's area.

You do realise that those 3 all work together and that Taylor has a say in List Management? Also that recruiting doesn't stop at the draft.

4 players with AFL debuts last year, 5 this year.

Can't be underestimated. Max mentioned in an interview that he feels like he hasn't had a real break for 4 years. No accident either that our flag came after a season where we missed finals.

Reporting to the General Manager Football Operations we are seeking an experienced Head of List Management to oversee the playing list of the Club, including devising and implementing the list strategy, negotiating all player contracts, managing the acquisition and retention of players, management of the total player payments and working with the coaching and recruiting team on identification and acquisition of talent through the national draft, free agency/trades, international and alternate athletes and STKFC academies (father son/next generation). In the role you will be responsible for: • Managing key relationships with players, coaches and internal staff • Managing and fostering strong key relationships with player managers, State talent managers and AFL staff • Overhauling and overseeing the systems and processes of player and contract data storage and management for list management and recruiting • Undertaking strategic planning for short, medium and long-term list management for the Club • Managing the strategy of and adherence to the critical total player payments function • Managing and negotiating contracts for all listed players and prospective players • Overseeing the strategy, operations and recruitment of players via all available methods – draft, trade, free agency, academies, alternate/international athletes • Retaining all required players of the club, including working closely with the leadership program, welfare and high- performance staff to ensure player aptitudes and needs are clearly understood and met • Assisting the General Manager Football Operations to establish and manage clear cultural and high-performance standards for staff and players https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/StKilda/Head of List Management.pdf

https://www.indaily.com.au/sport/football/2022/09/16/when-list-manager-is-the-afls-most-important-job

Agree, though we need to take many/most of the comments here in the context of your opening sentence.

“We are really pleased to offer Jake another contract and extend his time in the red and blue,” Demons’ List Manager Tim Lamb said. Melbourne's list manager managing the list.

Or not.

They may start to try Windsor more on-ball.

We also had higher picks to use for trades.

When did lamb "stuff up the numbers"? We've always had the spots available we needed.

Lots of Hindsight Harry's on here. People also forget Lamb's role in trading picks to get us the likes of Jackson and Pickett, or more recently Tholstrup (early days, but early signs are OK). Not to mention his role in actually Managing The List, which is after all his job title - every player we needed to re-sign has, including some on big contracts.

Is it not possible to shunt off all the Peter Lawrence discussion into its own thread? Tedious.

Don't see how a Petracca deal is more likely next year unless he really agrees to go to whoever can put together a decent offer - including WCE, Richmond etc. He'll be 30 in 2026, but with 4 years left on a massive contract. Not exactly enticing. As I posted earlier in this thread, you look at previous huge trades for the likes of Dangerfield, Franklin, Judd - they were a lot younger than Trac when the trades went through and still with a lot of high-level footy left in them and worth selling the farm for.

Both of those were interstate "go home" deals. As most (almost all?) of the broken-contract deals are.

He came cheap, he's depth. If everyone's fit he probably doesn't get a game, at least on current output. Let's see if another pre-season - with the knowledge that it could be his last unless he steps up - makes a difference.

Good on him, he worked for it. Gives us another year's cover for the younger brigade (whoever they are ...).

Just because there's nothing in the press that's not to say that those areas aren't being reviewed. All organisations undertake reviews, internal or with external input, and all of those areas have to report to the board.

Simply not true, and the larger the company the less true it becomes. Reviews focusing on specific areas of an organisation's operations are not just more common, they're more effective.

Some of the comments here show just how disconnected average football fans are from the reality of large, professional, elite-level sports clubs.

Disagree. Professional AFL players have been around and can see past the external pile-on. Their decision-making process isn't going to hinge on what they read in the papers, but on the usual work stuff: conditions, contract, opportunities, coaches/managemet etc. Having said all that, don't see Macrae would work, from both sides. Imagine he'd be better off at a team with a younger mid group who needs his experience.

Seriously? He was cheap depth, traded for a future 3rd-rounder.

if anyone thinks that these kinds of decisions come down to Tim Lamb and Tim Lamb alone ... For starters there is a List Management committee which includes Taylor and presumably Richardson, but decisions on bringing in players would involve coaches as well.

He was already pushed out of the wing spot by Brayshaw. But even when Jordan played the wing he was in/out of the side.