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Seeing we want 2 of their players, yes ...

As opposed to the macho posturing school of negotiation.

Once again, we won't be keeping players against their interest. It's not in anybody's interest, including ours, to do so.

We're not going to be doing that. If Hogan wants to go, a way will be found for him to go. You don't keep players against their wishes, even moreso when family/personal factors play a part.

Exactly. I wouldn't be sure that we can even get May, plenty of Essendon and Pies supporters out there convinced that he's signing for them.

This is just speculation. From what the players and staff say, that would appear to not be the case. I don't think we can ignore the personal journey he's been on for the last couple of years: father, cancer, then a succession of serious injuries. Perhaps he feels like he needs to restart from a clean slate, and if that's the case, hard to argue with.

Sorry to see Jesse go, but understand and it is what it is. 2 first rounders, a bit of haggling lower down, take it. Equally, not sure how the lower picks is going to work, because Freo seem to have traded most of theirs, and after pick 5 their next is currently 77 so ...? The only issue here is whether we can get May. Plenty seem to be assuming that that's what's going to happen, but it has to be made to work for all concerned first. Plenty of Pies supporters adamant that he's chosen them, and in any case, reports are (grain of salt ...) that May is after a 5 year deal and on good coin.

It was more what he didn't say, basic theme was "if he goes, we won't hold it against him". Good speaker, you can see why they went so hard for him. Leadership material.

Yes, a few clubs have big holes in their draft options (e.g., Freo with 5 ... and then 77, Saints with 5 and then 57). Trading away your future draft picks is all well and good, but then you end up with no draft picks. Could be some horse-trading for picks.

Our highest pick is 32, but with 8 or so players to replace would be surprised to see us use that on a trade, would take us out of the first two rounds of the draft altogether. Hopefully one of our 3rd round picks will get it done, they don't want to hang on to him regardless of where he was initially drafted.

Whether he does/doesn't is irrelevant. It was a talking point across the media, including radio and TV. You only had to watch the live broadcasts for it to come up, and you'd have to live in a cave with no exposure to ANY footy to have not heard/seen this floated, especially after Weideman's performance against Geelong.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-could-be-better-without-forward-jesse-hogan-writes-jay-clark/news-story/41e7737a13a48695165036394665883d

All those “Dees better without Hogan” articles and posts couldn’t have helped his frame of mind re staying.

The problem with T Mac down back is his disposal and decision-making. When all he has in front of him is goalposts, it gets much simpler.

If he stays, it would only make sense in the context of him also extending his contract past the end of next season, which presumably is something that's coming into consideration on all sides.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Saints don't currently have a second OR third round pick, as both have been traded. Their current highest pick after the first round is 4th round, pick 57.

If we get into the granny, suspect that they will hold Fritsch back from the VFL final. Others as well. (as reported).

WTF ... Lewis had more rebounds than any other player on the field.

Amongst both teams he had most possessions , equal most marks, and highest number of rebound 50's, all taken care of with a disposal efficiency higher than all but one Collingwood player (who had 3 kicks), and all but 3 of ours. He also spent more time on the ground than any other player out there (94%). But heh, zero impact.

After you. No, after you. No, after you, I insist. etc.

Well, it would presumably get us back into the first round by way of compo.

Oh yes I can. Exhibit A, the Bandwagon Effect: "As people come to believe in something, others "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence." And there's plenty more where that came from. The work of 3 Nobel Prize winners, Herbert Simon, Daniel Kahneman (with Amos Tversky), and Richard Thaler, comes to mind. We are, as Dan Ariely pointed out, predictably irrational.

Oh no there doesn't. There are a whole series of cognitive biases around group/sheep/herd behaviours. And this goes back a long long way. We're social animals, and the pressure to conform to the group (from both self and others) trumps rationality every time (almost).

Yes, I know. A player's trade value is ultimately determined by what his football manager says in the press. Every club will know exactly what they're getting, and they'll have their own criteria for evaluating each player. The rest is just background noise.

You're right. MFC is for MFC. As it should be.