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Au contraire, Hibberd clearly DID get the votes he deserved. The issue here is that your criteria for being deserving of votes are not the coaches criteria. Also, this is judged by points over the whole season, and Hibberd didn't really become AA Hibberd until a bit of a way into the year. On the other hand, he finished strongly, and as we all know, that counts for a lot in terms of how we make judgements. Yours included. Finally, Hibberd had basically the same votes as Jones, Lewis, Jetta. Hard to argue with.

Not a surprising or left-field winner in Oliver, though what is surprising is that he's done it only his second season. A legend looms. On the other hand, speaking of left-field picks, Richard Thaler has just won the Nobel Prize in Economics. Unfavoured, even though he almost single-handedly turned Economics on its head and started a whole new field (Behavioural Economics). Thaler has written quite a bit about drafting in American football etc., and I'm sure he would have approved of our strategy to land Clayton.

Jones, Lewis, Hibberd and Jetta just about a tie. Seems pretty accurate. Hibberd unlucky on paper, but when you look at the votes, he was more or less equal third, difference is miniscule. Good to see ANB polling well, hope it spurs him on to bigger and better next year.

Take it back: tried again, working now.

If "having issues" means "not working", yes. Tried various browsers, nothing, just the opening banner and some background music (being kind).

Bartlett: I would particularly like to acknowledge Jesse Hogan. We are all proud of you & marvel at the strength you've shown this year.

I've never bagged him and aren't about to start, whatever the outcome here.

From Twitter, (for which I make no claims. On the other hand, would make sense) "Other the Lever and Balic, do the dees have any interest in further midfield/forward depth options, or are they likely to go to the draft?" "They do, but cap will come into play. Hamstrung somewhat."

Win win position for the club.

This is just ridiculous. No-one's speculating, people are just basing their opinons on a) what the club has done (e.g. dropping Watts in the pre-season) and b) what the club (Goodwin, Jones, Mahoney) have said. Those are facts. There was also an earlier report in this thread of a Storm player commenting that the club were p*'d off with Jack because of the Byron trip - which you and many here chose to ignore. You pick and choose what to believe depending on whether or not it confirms your opinion.

Yes, because no-one noticed that Jack got dropped both in pre-season and season. When assessing trades, clubs are expected to ignore other clubs talking up their players. They'll do the same for clubs talking down their players (even if that's what's happened, which I don't see is the case anyway.)

Could be wrong. Trade period, anything can happen.

Don't believe Adelaide are interested in Watts.

Just think it needs to be a club with strong leadership, and not sure that's Port. Could be wrong. I would have gone for Geelong or Sydney for those reasons. A couple of seasons back, I would have said Hawthorn, but perhaps not any more. As an aside, wonder what Lewis's role in all this is and what he feels about it.

But you're only taking into account the plus side of the ledger, not the minus side. What we lose when Watts leaves is the sum of his contribution, i.e. the sum of both of those - which the club obviously feels is a negative (his negative impact is greater than his positive impact). We're not just losing his good stuff, we're losing the bad/negative stuff as well. Presumably, outcome here is net gain (subtracting a minus = a plus).

Once again, and for the nth time, this isn't primarily about Watts' on-field performance.

More than just briefed.

Fantasyland. You are seriously, seriously in denial. Even the fact that you seem to think that this is just between Watts and Goodwin, my god ... the frustration with Watts goes right through the club, from player level up to (clearly, as this wouldn't happen without their endorsement) Board level. As someone "in the know" commented, "Watts has burnt too many bridges". Sad end to the fairytale, but there you go.

Exactly. A combination of the Endowment effect (we value things we have/own over things we don't) coupled with a touch of Sunk Cost Fallacy (the more you invest financially or emotionally in something the harder it becomes to abandon it - one of the reasons people stay in unsatisfying relationships or jobs) and Status Quo Bias (we're generally resistant to change and prefer things to stay the same and do nothing.)

“You can’t tell the quality of the decision you are making by the outcome that will be produced. Or, to put it another way, you can’t tell by the outcome whether you made a good decision. It’s just a logical mistake to say, “I got the good outcome, I must have made a good decision.” And yet that’s what everybody thinks.” https://hbr.org/2014/11/how-to-tell-if-youve-made-a-good-decision

Worth repeating.

Also, Pederson must be just about on his last season.

My only wish is for a team made up of players who are going to give 100% on and off the field at all times - and for a club and coaches who do everything they can to make that happen and take the necessary steps when it doesn't.

"I don't know" = "to the best of my knowledge, but I haven't read every single interview that Jack has given." (yes, could have expressed it clearer ... perhaps too much time on Twitter.) On the other hand, you're presuming to know my opinion of Watts?

You don't know that. They could well be into Jack knowing full well his shortcomings and agreeing with Mahoney - but for whatever reason it's either a) not an issue for them (strong culture already in place?) or b) they think that in a new environment they can turn it around.