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There's nothing in the club divided rumors either. And let's not forget that for Roos' last game as coach, he dropped Watts.

Sorry, should have been clearer. I didn't mean pay as in salary, I meant pay as in cost: draft picks, players etc. Getting Lever is going to clean out the cupboard, so what'll be left for a decent mid ... unless we can offload a player or two who might get us back in the game.

Wonder where a 23-25 y.o. mid could come from, especially as we're going to have to pay an arm and a leg for Lever.

Ah, Hindsight Bias. Hogan is rushed back in a couple of weeks after breaking his shoulder and plays a blinder, his best match for the season if not best ever for the Dees. Watts is given week after week above and beyond what everyone was expecting, comes back in, plays like rubbish and is eventually dropped to the seconds after continuing to play like rubbish. But instead of looking at the Hogan case as a fantastic example of injury management and rehab. and a gold star to our fitness and medical staff (and to Jesse himself), we're taking the Watts (and similar) case as supposed evidence that the players were "brought back too soon" and somehow from that, even though we have no actual evidence of anything, "it's Misson's fault". The logical fallacies and cognitive biases in this thread would be jaw-dropping if they weren't so predictable. Still, it is the off-season, but 6 more months of this ...

OK, that's God covered. How about the Tooth Fairy?

I'm another with plenty of faith in Billy, and like what we saw out of him in the first couple of years. Has been challenged to expand his skill set, with mixed results so far, but hope he makes it. Big season for him ahead.

Apart from anything else, you're confusing the fitness staff and the medical staff.

Trust the FD on this, especially as he trained with us as a junior. At the very least they must have all the inside info they need re fitness. Always a tricky one these kinds of trades. Is it a case of unrealised potential - for any number of reasons - or is it a case of what you see is what you get? He'd be a third rounder at max (I hope!), so are the risks high/lower than an equivalent pick in the draft on an untried 18 year old?

Agree the Gawn trade sounds fanciful. On the other hand, to get Lever we're going to have to pay dearly, so nothing much would surprise me.

General opinion seems to be second-rounder. Hard to see the value in it for me, unless they're trying for some kind of cultural change and don't see Jack as being part of that. He finished the previous season at Casey, plus his off-season slackness (or whatever it was), and then dropped again this in the latter part of the season ... not a good look, especially for someone with his skills/talent.

Guessing, or that's what you've heard from "sources close to the club"?

Watch this space. The game is becoming a congested slog as players lurch from one contest to the next, broken up each time not by clearing the ball but by the umpires stepping in to put everyone out of their misery. Will be interesting to see what if anything the AFL and the Rules Committee do. For the moment, I don't know that I'd be putting all my recruiting eggs into insiders only - even if we did just see the Bombers bundled out because of a lack of them.

Not mutually exclusive.

As good a place as any, though I'd be very surprised if anything came of it. Still ... "It is understood the Suns sought out Melbourne assistant and Level Four coach Jade Rawlings for a preliminary discussion. It is not clear if the 39-year-old will be formally interviewed. Rawlings has been the Demons' backline assistant since 2012 and has developed a strong resume through stints with the Brisbane Lions and Richmond, where he was caretaker coach for 11 rounds in 2009. "

Agree with that, though Spencer was decent as a backup this year for the couple of games he played. The one amongst them who could perhaps get a rookie spot somewhere might be White. We're over-run with HBF types.

Sad to see Jack Trengove's career with us end like this. Cruelled by injury, still did everything and more to try and get back, but wasn't to be. We'll never know what he could have been. Hard to see any AFL club picking him up, but has leadership and footy smarts. Too early for a coaching career, and still goes OK ... player-coach at a lower league? All the best Jack.

They'd want to throw in a second rounder at least. Spencer is taller than Shiel for starters. #amIdoingthisright?

Not sure that Amos Tversky would meet all the requirements for an International rookie contract. I could be mistaken, but I believe you have to be alive.

Thought you had to have 10 years at the club? Though thought these vet contracts were being phased out?

Some here should go back over the first part of Josh Kennedy's career. Early on he was getting games at Carlton, but doing very little with them (5 goals in his first season, 6 in his second ...). It wasn't until his 4th season that he started averaging 2 goals a game, and his 6th before he exceeded that. Weideman has time on his side. (though also confirms how good Hogan is ...)

Maybe, but unless I'm mistaken, he's signed for another year.

Absolutely. Still 2+ years away.

Adelaide looking a class above so far.

You do if they're contracted.

And experience of applying it over and over, both individually and across the team.