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Laurie’s an interesting one. Wraps on him as a junior were that he had excellent disposal. Perhaps one of those role-players we need. Fewer disposals against less turnovers?

Shocked I tell you, shocked.

This. We started on the road to a premiership with a new coach. Paul Roos. And for all the talk of games plans and defensive structure and yadda yadda what was the first thing he did? Bring in 3 very good, experienced players. Bernie Vince who was outstanding for a couple of years there, Dom Tyson who was similarly effective, especially for the first couple of years, and Daniel Cross who brought professionalism and leadership on field and off. If you want to address shortcomings and move a team forward you need to bring in ready to go players, as Roos understood. Without doing that, changing coaches is just moving the deck chairs.

And what happened after we dumped Bailey and brought in Todd Viney for the rest of the season? We lost even more matches than we were doing under Bailey, the win loss ratio went backwards. In fact, that’s what has happened Every Single Time we’ve replaced a coach during the season. Even after Neeld. 15% win loss ratio? Neil Craig (an experienced senior AFL coach): hold my beer, I can lose even more matches and get it lower, just watch In fact, that’s what happens pretty much every time a coach is moved on mid year, no matter the club. And not just in the AFL None of this exceptional. Or even surprising. Except to footy fans who continue to delude themselves that there’s an easy fix and a knight in shining armor just waiting for a tap on the shoulder to come in and solve all our problems.

2 shocking years? Last year we were in the 8 up until the last half-dozen games, when the cumulative effect of losing our 2 best players became too much. This year we've played 3 matches, one of which we lost by a kick, even though we were playing kids and first-gamers (due to injuries to first-choice players). Since then we've had 2 bad games, and that's enough to have people like you throwing your toys out of the cot. It's not the players who need to toughen up.

We don't know, it would only be speculation, no matter what it looks like from the outside. Equally, I think that Goodwin doesn't suffer fools, and if anyone's upsetting the apple cart internally hard to see them lasting long. Sam Frost and Jack Watts come to mind. The end of the year could be interesting.

That would be Brad Green.

Goodwin's not going anywhere, the Board won't sack him because of a few disgruntled fans. Even a lot of disgruntled fans. Port fans have been calling for Hinkley's head for almost as long as he's been there, yet he's still into his 13th year. Within the club everyone would understand what's going on.

There's no basis to your assumption that we're not working on skills. They can have a 20 minute hit-around with a soccer ball AND work on skills at other moments of the day. (Remembering that they also train inside.)

Everyone's all over the Hollywood Hawks, but it has taken them what, 6 years to transition from the old guard to the new?

Also McAdam.

Compounded by the fact that the players we've deliberately brought in to help drive and implement a more transition-based game plan have been largely unavailable. Doubly compounded by the fact that we can't even keep any team on the field, yet alone one put together for a new approach. The constant changes both across games, but also IN games (losing Jefferson and then Lindsay early in the last 2 games) is the opposite of settled and consistent.

You didn't need the "too".

Feel a bit speechless in response to a comment like this. What next, no exercise bikes because they're footballers not cyclists? It was a recovery session and you have no idea what else they're doing in the 30 - 40 hours they spend at the club each week. But apart from anything else, the players seem to enjoy it. Lord forbid they should feel positive about coming into the club.

There are a dozen other clubs who could say the same thing. You then lose a few important players to injury or whatnot, you have an unsettled line-up, you have players coming back from long-term/serious injury, etc.etc., and you quickly get passed by any of the other 12.

To get better first round picks. Which is a rebuild, no? We've already seen the benefits this season with both Lindsay and Langford. They both come straight in and fill a roll.

The coaches can only work with the players at their disposal, for better or worse. e.g., you can't go into a match with the forward line from your VFL team and expect to not get taken to the cleaners, no matter how they're coached. One of the biggest issues is that Ben Brown was traded in as a 50 goal/year forward, but was hardly able to get on the field post 2021. Not age either, BB is only a few months older than Jeremy Cameron (for example). Clearly the plan was that he would hold down a KPF role while younger players came through. That hasn't happened, which has left us exposed. They've tried to address this through Fullarton (hasn't worked), Grundy/Max (didn't work), trading in Derkson as a reinforcement (GWS wouldn't let him go), and eventually landing on Aidan Johnson (too early to tell). Will be interesting to see what happens this trade period, though once again, you can only trade from the available pool. Suspect that an established KPF will be high on the shopping list.

Great to see Turner doing well, as much as anything because what it says about his attitude and the internal messaging from the coaches. Langford made some interesting comments re being dropped after his first game and how the coaches helped him to see it as a possibility to work on what he needed to and as a positive. Similar re Turner it seems, and presumably most of the AFL-listed players. Adams, even Fullarton are stepping up, Laurie with his 30 possessions when he could just give up in response to being in/out of the team etc. etc. Sure, the Dees are looking lost at the moment, but seeing what's going on at Casey there's lots to like, the coaches seem to be doing what they need to.

Unless I'm mistaken, Sestan didn't play as he was held over as our emergency?

Not only is it not obvious, it's not even true. It's well documented across the AFL (and other sports for that matter) that the head coach has input into list management but is only one voice. For obvious reasons. Tim Lamb does not answer to Goodwin. If you want to see how this plays out, watch Moneyball. Meanwhile, one example among many: "Geelong premiership mentor Chris Scott made very clear earlier this year when challenged on the way his team has been shaped that as senior coach “I am just one vote (of four) in list-management meetings."" https://www.indaily.com.au/sport/football/2022/09/16/when-list-manager-is-the-afls-most-important-job

Many here are wildly over-emphasising the influence that a coach has on a team. I know I'm a cracked record on this, but the only way to improve a team is through improving the list. The evidence is all around us, but as always, people look for the easy solution rather than the right solution.

No, it hasn't disappeared, other teams have worked out how to get past it. Fast, run and gun footy doesn't allow the backline to set up, which is what used to be our strength.

I'd question that, there are too many variables. Starting inside the club, and how much the FD and Board would hold Goodwin responsible. Also, there's the longer term to be considered: there's an argument that it's never good to bring in a new coach with a team that's bottoming out. Better the old coach stay on until things stabilise and then make the change, e.g. Clarkson/Mitchell at Hawthorn. What Yze is going through at Richmond isn't good for anyone, he came in at least one season too early. But I don't think it'll come to that, in spite of plenty of evidence to the contrary. I think that once we get more players back and the team stabilised and used to a new way of playing, things will start to look up later in the season. I could be wrong ...

I don't know that we do, and I'd take today as Exhibit B, following last week's Exhibit A.

Imagine it would be pretty hard out there, given what was going on all around him.