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Can we end with the ‘he won the norm Smith’/‘played well’/‘is a premiership player’ reply every time someone points out something about a premiership player. No one is wanting to change a single second of the grand final but there’s still room for improvement with even our best players and the team as a whole. The stats and the eye test both say Petracca’s kicking could get even better. Same with Oliver. Tracc especially could get a half decent left foot too. They’ve only had one season with Choco. Our draft picks get to come in working with Choco from the get go. Howes’ action looks a bit hit and miss. Choco should sort that out pretty quickly.

The Cats got a gigantic leg up from the father son and plenty of people talk about Dank and the weapons time there, but I won’t say more on that. The Hawks milked the most out of the priority picks and also traded a guy in Jono Hay that they knew wouldn’t deliver a fair deal in that trade. People will come for us for getting Brayshaw for Frawley. Even though Brayshaw hasn’t been better than what Frawley was worth which was a pick around 8-12 (not 3). Cola was a rort but otherwise did the Lions get all that much? I’m too young to remember too many details of the late 90’s but I can’t remember it being anything like GWS and Gold Coast in terms of list concessions.

280 games, 3 flags and an All Aus, no pressure kid

Both options are reasonable but I would've thought the older guys like Riv and Jacko would come back for training, even if it's only 3 weeks, then get a later break for a delayed xmas when the quarantine becomes 5 days for the Ashes or 0 days once WA opens. Assuming that's still the plan. They could stay until after Xmas but they've been in WA from the prelim until now. They can probably survive a zoom Christmas. The draftees start so slow and aren't in any hurry to play so I'd expect the 3 WA guys may as well stay until after Christmas.

Looks like he has long arms for his height, might be useful for spoiling. Interesting that he was a quality midfielder in under 16's then kind of relegated to a half back flank role in his draft year. Seems to have gears like good players do. Cruises when evaluating his options then can pull the trigger if needed. Did he finish school in 2020 like most WA guys do a year earlier than here? I just wonder if he's a bit cruisy. Bit of a Travis Johnstone vibe almost. I wonder if the professional and competitive environment of the MFC will fire him up a bit.

I'm not completely writing off Rosman but he was undeniably a risk-reward gamble and I'm comfortable to say he remains as that level of a gamble. I'm completely fine with the strategy of using a pick every now and then on a potential freak, but I still think it's long odds to pay off. Hunt did nothing for 2 years and whilst it's been bumpy since has paid off. I think Rosman's around that mark. JJ was underwhelming in year 1 too, so, sure I get your point. He was a December birthday with a lot of work to do physically. Rosman walked in as the best runner on the list and with some strenght. The premiership has made a lot of people on here act like the club can't do any wrong and are completely infallible. Any hint of criticism gets jumped on at a rate of knots. I think I've been more loyal to Goodwin than the vast majority on here. I think Jason Taylor is a freak, but I don't think pointing out that whilst he's clearly in the best tier in the business he's still human. That doesn't mean I wouldn't worship the ground he walks on. And my original point for where this Rosman discussion stemmed was that Jason Taylor has been like Bradman at recruiting but the wing has been a bit of a bodyline for him. Howes is a serious talent and a fairly decent pick in a deep enough draft and with JT's record I expect him to pay off where other moves at finding wingers have yet to pan out. If JT can keep his perfect 2nd round draft record going and fill a need with a versatile winger than he'll only go higher up as a phenomenal recruiter and the team will only be stronger.

Did you watch much Casey? Apart from one game against a hapless North side Rosman looked totally lost. The traits are great but he makes Baker look good in the contest. Of course Langdon was worth paying for, but we don’t have the 600k+ and an early 2nd round pick to offer up for a guy like that now. We’d have to trade our first and clear cap space. When you’ve drafted Oliver, Petracca, Salem, Jackson etc you can make a move like that, if you’re constantly at the top of the ladder you can’t. Just look at the Cerra situation. We didn’t have the draft capital to grab him even when he was available cheaply. JT’s entire strategy with this draft was to get cheap needs based picks so we can keep the list together. If we have to make aggressive moves to fill needs we might have to push out players and that’s how you get in trouble.

I really hope he keeps the dual sided kicking. Speed and an accurate short kick on both sides seem to be his main assets. Even though the game is very homogenous these days every player needs a weapon. Development coaches can round out a player but you have to have something to hurt the opposition.

Roos took over a 2 win team and went 4 wins, 7 wins, 10 wins. Only someone like Carlton would sack a coach for that record.

Gus has barely hit a target on his left in years. I liked it early in his career but these days it’s a myth. If he cut out the inexplicable out on the fulls his right foot would probably be serviceable.

Stretch no good, Baker and Rosman not looking promising - I know that’s an early call on Rosman but he was miles off in the VFL. The 35 different options we used in 2019 like Wagner and Dunkley not working out. JT’s been much better getting mids and flankers through the draft than wingers It took paying top dollar for Langdon and shifting Gus to really fix it but to stay at the top we need cheaper home grown options pushing up.

Stranger things have happened but I don’t think anyone is predicting the Crows to play finals so it’s a matter of moving 41 to probably 40-46. 41 in one of the most compromised drafts of all time to a similar pick in hopefully a normal draft year with bonus extra players who snuck through. The thing I don’t like is the lack of list flexibility that we go in to the draft with. We could’ve left one or more of Baker, M Brown, Majak, Rosman, Bedford etc open to re rookie them and had that extra list spot. But the footy department have consistently valued locking in our own guys, evaluating the depth of the draft early and it’s hard to argue with the results.

I'd just show him Gus' set shot and skip all the other hacked kicks.

I suspect he's got a fair bit of work to do on a lot of his game. Probably has to work on his pressure, contested ground balls, tackling etc and it looks like his kicking is hit or miss. But I like the way he makes quick decisions from the mark, drawing opponents to hand off to runners or backing his kicking. And his marking seems very natural. The wing has been a bit of a blindspot for JT, but Howes marking and athleticism both really suit the way the position is played these days. Show him Brayshaw's game in the grand final and train him up to play like that.

The Eagles love loading up on talls. I remember similar disappointment when they took big Bailey Williams. He’s handy, but not big enough to really ruck at AFL level and I’m not sure the athleticism is there to make a quality forward.

Our 5th rounder, it’s back from the dead after we traded our 3rd and 4th

The draft is saying Williams might be more a Pederson or Sellar than a Hawkins. I think we’ll add Woey to the main list, AMW to the cat b and still take another rookie. Be it at the draft or after a summer training session

No idea, but my guess is 36 and the Crows future 3rd For 39 and 43 Then we ended up just doing the second half of that. We swapped 36 and 39 with the Crows during trade week so that was banned. We only planned 3 picks so unless we loved Soligo or the guys who went 37, 38 I can’t imagine we would’ve taken 2 picks there

JT might have to do a Sos/Dodoro and get one of his colleagues to bid for Woey just before our pick so we get the match factor going for him. Otherwise we’ll grab him

Wasn’t for that. it was for swapping picks we’ve already swapped with the crows. Attempt to stop academy bidding nonsense

Did they ban us for being too good? Then we get Howes anyway. Lovely

I expect we'll try trading 38 and 42 for Richmond's pick 30 or something around that mark. Otherwise I'd imagine 42 might be on the market for a future 3rd next year. Many of the picks between 11-20 were spent on guys with speed, endurance and skill. It appears there's still a few left who fit that category.

I genuinely dislike Josh Bruce but he had a great year this year. I actually like that fox picked a semi reasonable comparison for once! If he gives us 2021 Josh Bruce we’d be delighted

Feels strange to draft a tall in the first round who seems low ceiling but high floor. Obviously nothing is guaranteed but with a few years development he could then pitch in for 150 or so games at either end and help maximise our premiership window through the early stage of that. Ticks a lot of the boxes and should settle in well.

Interesting. I thought his next move was more likely to be a college basketball scholarship