DeeSpencer

No it didn’t, just got to get to the 3rd image. We’ve never talked much about father sons and academy players pre draft, not sure the club is well served by coming out and announcing they don’t rate a player

Love the outside the box thinking, but teams aren’t giving up the chance to develop players in a full time environment. Especially when the best alternative for him to get proper development would be at the Suns VFL program. It’s not like he’s a Victorian who could be hooked in to Port Melbourne. Maybe he could train at pokies FC but in reality the kid will be keen to start his professional career, just has a choice to make where. We should offer flexibility to go home through the season and other ways to keep the family engaged/ happy tho. So I don’t mind outside the box, just not sure you’ve nailed it yet.

Northern state academies are open to anyone not based on ethnicity like NGA.

I wouldn’t be sure of that. Lalor is still the pick 1 favourite but Cal sounds nervous. The North and Adelaide pick swap seems genuinely possible. And Draper to Carlton has momentum too. Every chance Cal’s phantom looks like this. 1. FOS (Rich) 2. Lalor (Adel) or Draper 3. Draper (Carl) or Lalor/Langford/Smith 4. Tauru (North).

It wasn’t so much a negative a realistic good outcome if he doesn’t play routinely in the midfield. Comparing any draft pick to a high level (fringe All Aus even) player is positive. I just imagine they’ll want to use a pick that high on a genuine prime mover and/or a forward who wins contests as well as creates for others. If they pick Reid I can already picture Jase Taylor in his straight forward style saying he’ll start forward but he’s a midfielder. And I expect the footy department want Spargo back to his best, think Kolt grows in this area and wants to use Chandler’s kicking more too.

He reminds me of early half forward Sidebottom but doesn’t have the same overhead ability which has always been a crucial bonus factor in Steele’s game no matter what position he plays but has helped him excel on the wing even with no pace. Plus Sidebottom has elite endurance. I also feel like Sidebottom would’ve played a lot more of his career as a permanent mid if not for Pendles, but it was better to have Pendles inside and Sidey outside for team balance.

Jagga over Lalor at 4/5. Tauru over Smillie at 8/9. Hmmm what could be the reasons for those changes - both joined gettable as guests in the last 2 episodes! Bo Allan over TT at 11/12. Combine hangover? Joe Berry up 3 (Freo keen at 14?). Jack Whitlock up a couple (Rich, Port keen). Trainor slides a couple more. Dattoli up (Rich, Syd interest). Gross slides 3 spots at the back (he’s a 35+ prospect IMO).

I’ve often thought the same and as everyone knows I’m not a huge Jagga fan but he does have a fraction more pace and maybe more importantly more of a strength to win the footy and escape in tight without getting pushed around. With a decent amount of confidence you can say he’ll be a pretty solid midfielder. I love Reid’s hands and his vision, they are special attributes. But if he doesn’t flash the natural strength and physicality to play as a mid he’s a one paced small forward. It all becomes a bit Gyran like. Mind you, if you said the following percentages are how his career players out: 20% Bill Laurie, 40% Gryan, 20% Josh Daicos and 20% Sam Mitchell how high would you take him?

just a different link for anyone interested Cal actually says very little on the draft prospects. Saving it for tomorrow

Despite being very underdone and down on confidence especially early in the year Petty was 11th in the league for contested marks. Im not against the idea of a key forward because Petty probably goes back long term but the big thing we need is to stop relying on contested marks on the wing for ball movement. Long kicks to packs down the line means you’ve failed in your ball movement. We have to study the way Brisbane spread their forwards out, move the ball in different ways and kick to isolate forward on the lead or one on one.

Wonder if we can match a bid in the 3rd round with pick 70 whatever (currently has no points) or by going in to deficit (when we have Brisbane’s 3rd rounder next year anyway). I suspect rookie list is the goal but assuming he gets through to the 3rd round we might snap him up.

Again, that doesn’t specify anything about cat B’s staying as cat B. I suggest you’re right but it’s not unreasonable to think there’s still a 3 year limit on cat B after which they transfer to cat A for up to 2 more years. We’ll soon find out.

The Age seemed to think he had to slide across to the Cat A list. Not sure the AFL ever publicly clarified if players can stay as Cat B rookies for longer than 3 years. The 5 years might be for the overall rookie list. Either way, we'll have 3 main list spots. Judd McVee will be upgraded to the primary list, and Andy Moniz-Wakefield can no longer be a category B rookie.

Yes we are. That was known. Main list still at 33 with 3 spots. Our 6 man A Rookie list is full, hence Melk getting re-promoted: Hore, AMW, Sestan, Verrall, Brown, Kentfield. Cat B Rookie list is empty.

6 Brisbane for 2 picks. +4 3 Gold Coast for 1 pick. +2 7 Essendon picks. Not sure what they'll do with them but assume at least 2 go for Kako. +1. 5 Carlton picks post 38 that probably go on 3 players. +2 there St Kilda have some pick shuffling to do to get in position to match their academy players No doubt a few clubs pass and go with rookies/train on instead once it gets right to the back. Probably ends up around 60-70. Cal says somewhere between 63-72 picks and ours will be somewhere between the 5th and 10th last.

In what sense? Dusty was an under 18 All Aus in the centre and TAC team of the year averaging 24 disposals and a goal. Lalor jogged around the forward pocket in the carnival and only played 4 Coates league games this year. There’s a lot to work with, I don’t think any of the other prototypes in the Tracc, De Goey mold have the clean skills Lalor does. Heck even Dusty burnt the footy a fair bit. But those other guys all had dominant midfield games as juniors. Id be making the same pick but it’s a brave choice and the Dusty comparisons will be a lot to carry.

Any of them available at 6 (yet alone whatever pick 9 becomes) in this draft? Watson and Windsor are the only 2 who weren’t top 2 pick level talents. 23: Sanders, Windsor 22: (5-8) Tsatas, Humphrey, McKenzie, Clarke 21: 6-7 Rachele, Ward 20 5,7, 9 Braeden Campbell, Hollands, Perkins 19: 5, 7, 8 Dyl Stephens, Young, Serong Probably have to go back to Freo’s picks in 2019 for guys who made consistent impact in their first 3 years.

Lalor needs to recover from a major injury and do his first ever preseason, he’s more a year 3+ guy. Langford should play some but a big slow kid in the forward line with 3 talls and Fritsch probably just gets in the way. Jagga has no aerial ability, has strong evasion in traffic but not speed to run down or run away from opponents and his kicks hang in the air. He’d be a liability down back. Probably plays a fair bit as a high half forward but if we have an elite midfield he won’t be in it much year 1. Slightly more run to get games as a forward but slighter body, I see him on par with Sanders as a year 1 option. Goody generally plays and sticks with his high picks but I think expectations for performance are way too high. These guys aren’t Clarry/Gus level ready to go and if we are bouncing back up the ladder it won’t be on the back of first year kids.

As opposed to which players who are instantly ready? Riley Sanders last year was a plug and play midfielder. Made no impact. I get the Armstrong skepticism, he’s more raw than you’d like and just drops more marks than he should. But if JT pulls the trigger I can see why he’s rated. Not many talls move like he does and present as well as he does. Also, let’s be honest, it’s a rebuild in all but name unless we get a drastic Clarry and Tracc turnarounds and find a few players out of thin air (which is hard when you keep the same list year on year). Gawn, Viney May aren’t every week guys any more, we don’t have any experienced tall forwards and kids aren’t going to cover the midfield and flanker gaps like for like.

I love him, beautiful kick. Realistically it should be both in consideration for pick 9. But if we took both and swapped them mid and forward I’d be delighted

You, me and JT is all we need!

There’s room on the Ollie Hannaford bandwagon! You’re welcome to join.

Nothing more on brand for SEN to publish one of their lackeys completely unsourced ‘phantom’ draft before their actual reporters produce something on value as the week goes on.

What about the middle ground? North take Tauru. Carlton are in to Draper. Crows take Langford. No one seems to be predicting FOS getting through to us? Is he a lock 2, 3 or 4 despite those teams all getting linked to other players?

We can, but I don’t think height alone makes a guy able to play anywhere. I haven’t seen an aerial game from Smillie worthy of saying he’s a marking target /interceptor and I don’t think he runs like a flanker. To me he’s a fairly pure midfielder aside from filling in certain roles in case of emergency. Langford has a marking and more natural outside run game that I think translates better to versatility but the speed will limit that too. The game has also sped up and spread out and smaller mids ripped us apart some times at stoppages and absolutely in space. We had to put Nibbler on ball to take away Daicos, Merrett etc. I suspect if we draft Langford and go a second bigger mid it will be Travaglia or Bo Allan who are proven flankers and move like it.