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congrat flash and beamer was a pretty damn accurate count imo

LOL but yeah bit sad to see him go after he was so looking very promising in his first season, 5th in rising star (behing murphy/h.shaw/pearce/raines) but hasn't shown much since then

i was going to say this. this is a massive show of maturity for someone only 14! With additional 2 years in the U18's and captaining his side to the grand final, sounds tough to beat maturity wise.

where's clark going to play in 2010? cant really play up forward with fev, bradshaw and brown there. I'm guessing they'll want to play both leunberger and charman in the ruck as well. man they have some good talls though.

not a big jamar fan but he's worth more than that to us

agree with all of this, I think miller deserves another year but he's running out of time.

he did kick 65 goals in 21(?) games. i agree with sylvias no demon player deserved to be in the top50 imo.

3k's up now Three-kilometre time trial (min.sec) 1. Kallan Geary 9.43 2. Ryan Bastinac 10.03 3. Brayden Norris 10.05 =3. Kane Lucas 10.05 5. Dylan Roberton 10.13 6. Josh Cowan 10.14 7. Mitch Duncan 10.15 8. Jordan Williams 10.18 9. Mark Hutchings 10.19 10. Marcus Davies 10.22 looks like scully would have crushed

yeah i read this too and laughed because i'm pretty sure we'd snap him up at 11 if he slips that far

Martin seems to be testing well, 2nd 20m sprint, 6th repeat, 2nd kicking test. top 2-6 is going to be very interesting imo.

the problem is there is not enough drafts to get a meaningful representation of how valuable certain pick in the draft is, 20 is a laughable sample size. 20 isn't even correct because of the changes of the system in the past, and how much work goes into drafting now compared to 10 or 20 years ago. Not to mention this draft has players removed etc. there are just two many variables to be able to look on past years and say this draft is worth exactly the value of 70% of lenny hayes+shaun higgins - beau waters. posting this and saying name the players better than brock, divide by 22 and you get the percentage chance of getting a player better than brock is just plain retarded. EVEN if it were correct a player that is 3/4 of the player that brock is that plays a role we don't already have filled would be better for our team. yes it is evidence (and the only evidence that we have), but that doesn't mean it's USEFUL or MEANINGFUL evidence

this post is so, so useless. do you really think the draft runs the same way in 2009 as in the 80's? do you think the same information was available and that the same amount of effort went in to picking players? even 10 years ago the amount of effort to determine a draft pick is vastly different.

was looking around blues forums to see what they think on the trade and they had a thread about mclean being up for trade on the 15th sep! how were we so far behind?! there were mixed opinions from mclean being a steal at pick 11 to not being worth pick 27. some of them consider him to be our best player though, lol?

haha i love spud and dunstall, but on the couch is still my fav.

if hawks want a genuine backman i dont see how they will have the resources left to get burgoyne unless they get rid of a starting 22 player.

i think it's not so much his disposal but more his decision making ie. getting caught, hospital handballs. however i think it has improved this year and hopefully wil continue to.

hard to say from outside but i'd prefer green/bruce to take it for a couple of years then hand it over to someone young (ie. grimes) that or davey.

i secretly hope that pies will beat geelong (even tho i do like the cats) and then get smashed by saints in the gf just so i can see josh fraser cry again. it's not that they are that one dimensional they have 6 equally effective forwards. what really hurts them is that they didn't have a penetrating kick out of the midfield. edwards, goodwin, McLeod and ottens all got a lot of ball but some of their disposal was shocking. i thought they did well for a team that imo was way out classed in the midfield.

definitely deserves another year at least imo

wow my post went over your head. i'm not denying it's shallow and there are 33% less players but that doesn't necessarily mean pick 18 = EXACTLY pick 27. and what pick 27 are you talking about?? pick 27 in 2001 and 2006 were probably as good as pick 18 in some of the other recent drafts. just say pick 18 everyone knows it's a weaker draft than previous years.

can u stop saying this seriously? every draft is different yes this one has less numbers but is it pick 27 comparable to 2007, 2001, 2003 1991??? you cant just say pick 18 = 27 because there are less numbers players.

contested possessions? goals? clearances? also @bruce i wouldn't really call this grimes 'seconds season' since he playes ONE game in 2008 but seriously, he will be a star.

y would they trade for either when they can pick them up in psd?

would be awesome, but i dont see it happening. nothing wrong with his age imo, key defenders can generally play longer than most positions. look how good scarlett is at 30. presti has also had a great year at 31. also his sick ability to read the ball/play wont go away. anyway isn't he only turning 28 in feb? means he'll be 30 in 2012 season, which seems ok to me. i just dont see him deserting the dogs though.

wow sick last quater, lions come back from 28 down