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I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

If the Pies get Houston…. Phark!

I agree with you. But, what if Trac and Clazza came out early and stated their commitment to the club as soon as the rumours started? They didn’t. We looked stupid. The length of the two threads is reflective of our management and comms.

Nibbler will be missed for sure. Great leader. But I wonder how Adelaide intend on using him? Pick 28 in this draft is not to be sneezed with the talent still available. Good luck to him. His acceptance speech was second only to Brayshaw as far as the messaging went from Friday. Class.

There is also a difference between Petty wanting a trade and the 2 best players in the last 30 years wanting a trade in the same off season. (Just on Petty, his situation changed but he also tanked his value, Adelaide withdrew the offer and tried to low ball him) We should be happy that the club has settled on a course of action. What we shouldn’t be happy about is how we’ve had our logo used as a pin cushion by the media. Unfortunately it’s mostly self inflicted. Trac’s little adventure is well documented. We handled that situation like rank amateurs. Oliver’s situation is similar. We’ve had many opportunities to resolve this months ago but we’ve let things fester. I am happy for people to believe whatever they want in regards to whether it’s the media or player agents or inside sources but let’s all be honest and admit that a lot of these rumours and stories come from the players.

Lamb was pretty careful with his wording as to how we got into such a hot mess but he was definitive about where Oliver will be playing next season.

You’ll note I said trade prospects also….

And lost any appeal to free agents and trade prospects in the process. Genius.

Yep. I agree. Player agents generally are ok as leaking info can cut both ways but at this time of year, they’re pretty leaky. Some players do it under their own steam too. One of our own players did that this season. Offering info for the story which helped the player too. Happens at every club.

There are plenty of people working in the AFL landscape that just see it as a job, they are not passionate about the brand/club. Some of these people might feel a bit of a rush by telling a journo one or two things to start. Then it becomes something more permanent.

Like him or loathe him, Garry speaks the truth. Players like Oliver are very hard to find. From a talent perspective it is an irrecoverable position. On a side note, I found Tom’s line of questioning and statements about footy clubs to be humorous. The guy has no [censored] idea about the fabric of a sporting organisation. If I were Garry I would’ve told him to back the truck up. And punched him in the mouth…..

Im sure this is public knowledge but I’ll repeat it anyway, Clazz has been a load since his first season. When Brendan McCartney was at the club, he got so sick and tired of Oliver’s antics that he sat him down in his office and showed him a long list of names. He said, “do you recognise these names?” ”yeah some of them” McCartney replied, “these are all the people at the club who think you’re a [censored]!!” McCartney was really good for Oliver in those early days. Oliver was unaware that his behaviour was so impactful to so many people. McCartney was no nonsense and steered Oliver the right direction in terms of professionalism and treatment of others.

This has been an achilles heal of Goodwin for some time. Some players within the group think he has double standards. Players like Oliver get special treatment while others are yanked in and out of the team week to week. Can’t be good for team moral. (I’ll avoid using the C word) I agree with you, if half of the [censored] that was spread about Oliver last year was true, we should’ve made him do the hard yards at Casey.

This is true. Even 1 season playing for Collingwood would increase his income from social media to a place he couldn’t with us. And, if he is chasing success we are in such a state at the moment who is to say we will bounce back in 2025.

She’s got her hands full with other ventures. Tabcorp is probably her main priority. Not sure she did much anyway.

That’s not a horrible outcome I agree on that. I think Houston is a gun but I am not sure his play off half back is as big a requirement as some class in the midfield.

I think we did lose a bit of credibility with Houston both on and off the field. The delay due to the Petracca rubbish hurt us as this deal should have a bow on it already. (Subject to us finding 2 1st round picks) When his management fielded additional offers from other clubs they went pretty hard and have offered more money and ‘better finals prospects’. Carlton is now his preferred destination. The caveat is, we have cap space and draft collateral, where Carlton currently does not. We are staying in conversations as a result. Carlton need to potentially shed more salary and find picks.

This is accurate. I don’t think we’ll get him but we are loitering.

Jones and Parfitt. I think I threw up a little in my mouth. You can’t honestly think that repeating what we’ve tried with NQR DFA is the way forward??? Our depth is incredibly poor. If Trent Rivers played a 2 month patch of games like Peatling did this year we’d be anointing him as the second coming. If Peatling costs us a 2nd round pick and needs a 5 year deal to get across the line so be it.

I think others have mentioned we are talking with clubs who need points for academy/father son picks.

Not sure it’s that black and white. The asking price might have proven too much for us, that’s true given where we finished. But to say we exited the deal conflicts with what I was told first hand, post Houston’s camp moving on from us as a destination. We were still in there talking with his management trying to keep the embers warm. The truth lies somewhere in between I suspect.

We are trying for 2 picks in the top 15 and another pick in the 15-30 range. This is a mild deviation from our previously stated plans of 2 picks in the top 20 and supplement other list spots with mature age players/FA/trade. I had heard we thought we might be able to snag 3 picks within the top 20 but without trading out a serious talent, I can’t see how we do it.

If he can smash a pack playing as a key forward and can ruck the F50, he’s worth a swing. Maybe add some physicality and tackling too. The reality is that we need JVR freed up to become a true key forward. The club is looking for ways to do this.

That’s not true. He had a stretch contract which paid him ok but added years. If we hadn’t traded Harmes, his contract would still be pretty modest. Hardly impact TPP. My point was, that if we are to extract a ready to go mid, from a Premiership contender no less, who could help us win a premiership, why wouldn’t we pay him a bit more than market value and add a year? We have 2-3years tops to get another flag. The types of contracts that have hurt us are the large multi year, multi million dollar deals. Peatling’s contract won’t go near that level.

I’m not sure I agree with you here. We gave James Harmes an incredibly long contract a few years ago and he never had a period of sustained form like Peatling. The cost of change is always higher. More money, more years and more compensation. I’d do 5 years. We need to take a few risks to bolster our list before Gawn retires.