Little Goffy

10 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

2023 AFL Mock Draft: Picks 1-27 (first edition)

How does this one sound to you?

I'd be disappointed that we couldn't grab either of O'Sullivan or Murphy with '11', nor Curtin at '6', but going through that list you can see why the push from 14 to 11 was considered important. After Windsor or Tholstrup there's a bit of a gap for what we want in both hype and type.

23 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

Cal Twomey reporting on the latest GETTABLE ep that Melbourne offered 6,11,42 and F1 during trade week!!!!!

Feels slightly less wild to say "pick 11 and 18 to upgrade 6 to 1" but... still...

That said, for about the last ten years the exact picks 6 and 11 have been pretty cursed. If you are superstitious then be glad to be shuffled to 7 and 12 by Gold Coast's first academy pick!

In Jason Taylor we trust.

21 minutes ago, WesternDee said:

Jackson put his cue in the rack for season 22 very early on. Despite his total lack of enthusiasm and energy he was selected for most games. If he'd played like he should have and how he played in his first season for Fremantle we may have progressed further in the finals than what we did.

I hope they don't reward Petty with games next year. The writings on the wall. In my view he should rent a house out in Cranbourne to save on his travel expenses. Perhaps the Crows can buy him one in Berwick.

Punishing Petty for Jackson's attitude. Mm-hmm.

"That's basically how it unfolded – as simple as filling out a form."

Paxy actually has also updated her pronouns to 'Champion'. If you don't call her that in formal addresses, you get stacked-and-whacked.

As for Shelley Health, she causes her own controversy because biologically she is 'the adorable cousin/niece', but in football she identifies as 'the person who is about to ruin your day'.

*2024

I think we already have a thread for this. Worth merging just to add the visually appealing list.

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

You now have we worried for the welfare of Nick Watson in the event we draft him 

Definitely before his time.

His best 'time' for our purposes would be 2017, when he managed both a goal and a goal-assist per game.

Interestingly, he had one eye on the door at St Kilda for quite some years, while his first six seasons (under Alan Richardson, no less) produced quite good football even if he was a whipping boy on account of being sandwiched between Jake Kelly and Marcus Bontempelli in the draft.

If he produced just his career 'norm', he'll be a valuable asset getting the ball forward effectively.

But was he the right guy for the job?

37 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Change of subject, hope nobody minds.

I wiki’d the young Afghani bowler Noor Ahmad and I’m wondering what his mum would think of how she’s listed in his bio…

😳

She has been bestowed a high honor these days in Afghanistan; there's no number after her 'name'.

28 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Mods close this thread, why talk about this player anymore.

Yep, the bullet has been dodged.

Nup.

6 & 11 much better than 3 & 17, let alone giving away anything else in the deal.

So who exactly is the best defensive team in the league?

😉

Tahlia Gillard gets better every week and Shelley Heath is putting a really excellent long-term body of work together.

That was a chaotic game and we handled it very well.

Uh oh. Top of the ladder available for the winner. MFCSS kicking in.

This is the only circumstance the Demons' Women's team ever loses!

And yet, I am still confident.

Would seem like a reliable forward presence, willing to compete, all of that.

I'd feel okay if we got him but I suspect we'll miss out on who we really have our eye on because of North's bonus pick. Such is life.

Somebody somewhere mentioned that Johnathan Brown, a f/s taken at 30-something, was best in his draft and that made be go back and look because I may be the only person on earth who thinks Brown is a little overrated.

Just conversationally, of course!

That was in the 1999 draft, where pick 1 was Josh Fraser, a poor reward for Collingwood's blatant tanking.

Overall it is widely considered the original 'superdraft' with some 25 players cracking the 200 game barrier, multiple club captains and club champions, repeated All-Australians and so on. Curiously, the talent was spread almost evenly through the draft, all the way to the likes of Ryan O'Keefe and Cameron Bruce very late in the process.

It also offers a terrific contest for 'best of draft' because the absolute top few players are each completely different with very different credentials. The contenders:

J Brown: 256 games, 594 goals (2.3/games), 2x all-Australian, 3x B&F, 3 premierships, 1 Coleman medal, 7 season captain or co-captain of Brisbane.

C Enright; 332 games, 6x all-Australian, 2x B&F - both in premiership teams, 3 premierships.

M Pavlich: 352 games, 700 goals (2.0/game), 6x B&F, 8 seasons as captain, 6x all-Australian. Played for Fremantle so automatically excused from premiership count.

For me, it is Pavlich, then Enright, then Brown, but the margins aren't large.

Pavlich has it in my opinion because he is only barely shaded by Brown for forward-line performance over his career, despite also grabbing an all-Australian spot at full-back when young (those David Neitz positive vibes hitting me), and being used much more all over the ground to cover for Fremantle being mostly rubbish.

English, McCluggage and McGrath 2024,

Brayshaw, Davies-Uniake, De Konig, Wietering, Sam Taylor, Worpel,  in 2025.

I mean, why even worry about drafting?

34 minutes ago, IRW said:

Another small body ..just what they dont need.

When has any player  thrived/ reached their potential after trading to the Dee's.. ?

Names please? Take your time 

 

Took multiple people about 6 minutes to make you look silly.

Steve Johnson did just coach the Yarrawonga Pigeons to a premiership. But would he commute to Melbourne? There's no doubt as a player he had an amazing grasp of the dynamics of a forward line - more than once he was the leading goalkicker for Geelong despite not being the primary target.

I'd be keen to have him as a part-timer at least - valuable kind of voice to have in the room.

With only 7 games (inc 1 subbed off) in 2023, all this is of course averages;

Positive;

- About half his touches are score involvements; would be behind only Petracca/Oliver/Fritsch/Pickett per game from last season.

- Led the crows for tackles inside 50, which would be behind only Pickett for us.

- Behind only Taylor Walker for marks inside 50 at the Crows. Only 0.04/game behind our leader, Fritsch.

- Was remarkably consistent when he got a run at it for five games in a row to finish the season, kicking ten goals including at least one in every game.

Negative;

- Very low possession count. Under ten a game on average for 2023 and career. Not everyone has to be an accumulator but in the context of us having several low-possessions forwards and half-forwards already, it is a drawback.

On 13/10/2023 at 12:10, BW511 said:

Lachie Neale would like a word

At the head of the Brownlow top-10 delegation of Butters, Gulden, Serong and Viney!

And my profile name has nothing to do with it, I swear.

Side note: Andrew Brayshaw, Restricted Free Agent, end of 2025.

Getting real 'I bought you dinner, how dare you not sleep with me' vibes out of Fremantle on this.

Must be quite alarming for Freo supporters to see the number of best-22 and developing players who want out right when they were supposed to be on the cusp of contending.

Reasonably interesting. Mostly an affirmation of things we already know or strongly suspect.

"100%" Petty not going.

Melksham definitely staying for 2024, possibly moved to rookie list. Surgeon extremely happy with early progress.

Club perceives a large jump in available talent at pick 11 compared to pick 14. 'Confident of getting two top quality players with 6 and 11'.

This is more like it.

Alyssa Bannan is clearly biologically superior to the rest of us mere mortals.

Well, Carlton have had an outstanding top 6 for most of the last 20 years...

I think a lot of it comes down to how well you can use them. Both St Kilda and Sydney offer case studies in having a really elite top group and then having a system that mitigates weaknesses as you reach the tail of your best 22.

Richmond also managed to combine a small elite contingent with a bulk of really hard working players who ensured that not too much ground was lost when the elite needed to rest. Then they all switch mode when Martin et al are all refreshed on the scene.

There's a beautiful expression I picked up from my study of historical strategists (not an exact recollection but close);

"If every time there are eight cats to be caught the grenadiers are sent for, their power will quickly be dissipated."

14 hours ago, mo64 said:

Curtin plays at Casey all year whilst Reid wins the Eagles BnF. They'd be asking for Curtin + 2 top 5 picks for Reid.

That doesn't clarify which player is better, though!

Most of our current best 22 would make a top-3 finish in the Eagles BnF. I'm not even joking.

Personally I'm shocked that West Coast haven't done a lot more to try to bring in a least a few respectable strong bodies to fill out their midfield. Or maybe they have and they are just so on the nose that nobody will go?

Bringing Reid in as currently their only selection in the first round is just cruel to the kid.

I wonder what it would take to get West Coast's future first for 2024?