Little Goffy

Remarkable that we got more for Grundy than Collingwood got for Taylor Adams.

Starting to think that AFL clubs don't measure their trades in standarised currency!

Well, in the end we turned pick 27, 2022 into

Pick 47, 2023 and [second round pick] 2024.

Is it too early to start a "Death Riding the Sydney Swans" thread?

On the face of it, 14, 27 and 35 for 11 looks just plain silly.

Trying to rationalise it, some possibilities;

- We've got no real interest in the available draftees from the second round and we're happy to catch sliders with our selections from 40 on.

- We have a very specific interest in one or more players who will be available at 11 but not 14.

- We have a very, very specific interest in something that can get done that needed 11, with a club that had no interest in second round picks.

Goes to the Bulldogs and instantly lifts their tattoo game by four ladder spots.

Really happy for him to have secured an extra two years on his contract.

He'll always be welcome back, that much is certain.

Can we please find a way to turn him into a restricted free agent?

We'd get consecutive pick 1s if McKay is anything to judge by.

Not sure he ever delivered two consecutive AFL-standard games, and there have been murmurs about his attitude for years.

Part of the reason Carlton spent a decade out of finals.

No thanks.

This is not only a rort for North, it is also a rort for Essendon who the AFL have helped out by allowing them to offer McKay a package which North would have matched if the FA compensation had been appropriate. Which also illustrates; does anyone in their right mind thing Essendon would have traded a top-3 pick to get McKay? Or even their current top 8?

So now not only has every club had its second round and later picks moved back two places (North's compensation pick AND the 'future' compensation pick North got which has since traded its way to Port) but now also everyone's first round pick has been bumped back one slot.

I mean, can we all at least have the 150 draft points as compensation, to use next time a F/S etc comes up?

F'ing ridiculous.

Such bad governance. This is 'rule by decree' stuff.

15 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

We lose,

:Hibbard, Grundy, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan and Smith.

We absolutely need to bring in some AFL standard players.  We Currently have 6 spots to Fill.

 With Fullarton and McAdam coming in it's 4 Spots.  If we top up from the draft too much we won't have any depth which we are seriously lacking in our midfield atm.

We really need a solid midfield cover of this standard.  

I was irked and began looking back over premiership teams which had topped up from the draft just prior.

A couple of obvious winners were Cyril Rioli and Joel Selwood.

Then I realised; Jackson, Rivers, Pickett + Bowey.

Except for out tragically wounded forward line we aren't too bad for depth and I'd suggest any mature top-4 team which had a pick roughly every eight selections up to pick forty (5, 13, 26, 34, 40) would be and should be laughing.

I don't think there's ever been a top-4 side with a draft hand that strong.

10 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Peter Moore and his Brownlow would beg to differ. 
 

Well, now, if Darcy decides he'd like to come to Melbourne I'd be willing to offer a pretty good four-year contract.

1 hour ago, Jibroni said:

If we do get this Pick 10 then I would be offering Pick 5 For Tom Lynch or Max King; if they were half interested in coming.

Okay Adem, we see you!

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1051386/western-bulldogs-secure-pick-no4-from-gold-coast-suns-in-first-trade

The Suns will now listen to offers for pick No.10 – with Adelaide and Melbourne both interested in the selection – as they look to accrue more points to match bids

If McAdam is a spare Neal-Bullen and Duursma is a spare Hunter...

Well, actually, I don't know how I feel about either!

I have been thinking that Hunter going closer to goals would mitigate the downside and get the most of his debatable habit of looking for trick-shot ways to keep the ball moving. Close to goal a bit of unpredictability and keeping the ball alive is more useful, and the damage from turnovers and counter-attacks is less instant compared to wing turnovers which should have been stoppages.

Duursma is at least young and has shown good signs prior to a string of injury interruptions.

- insert your fresh start and clean run at it cliches here -

Of course, one thing we all know is that if he goes to Essendon he'll never make any progress. Is it our responsibility to save him?

10 and 17 are of interest if Gold Coast had them from the Dogs for 4.

Same basic scenario, though not quite such a premium pick.

Would a future first and a collection of our points-effective second-rounders do the job?

24 minutes ago, jane02 said:

I’ve just been told by my Pies supporter husband that this piece of scum just won the Darren Millane trophy for best clubman. Second year in a row. 🤮🤮

That [censored] me off so much I'm on the edge of making a drink-driving joke. It would not be funny.

What are the chances that we can get Hibberd to hang around a bit and be a mentor to the likes of Rivers and McVee?

Sigh, just got a little tweak of sadness; dropped by footywire and it was the first time I'd opened our list and Hibberd wasn't on it.

Mackin really is fast.

Lots of intense hunting right from the start of the 4th quarter.

Interesting seeing Harris and Goldrick having a chat before the bounce and then both getting right into the pursuit. Bit of leadership.

Adelaide have got a really effective mix of hammers and knives out there. We're not going to beat them unless we can force them out of their structure and make them do the jobs they aren't set up to do.

1 minute ago, Binmans PA said:

I'd also take Walsh every day before Rozee.

A good ball user who can run all day and hits the scoreboard. Rozee's ball use is good and he hits the scoreboard, but Walsh is an aerobic freak.

It is conceivable I'm having actual Bryce Gibbs hallucinations when watching Sam Walsh and that is taking a tiny slice off how highly I rate him. 🤪

I think it is a very fine margin between the two, but I feel like Rozee just has that little bit more influence on games.

1 hour ago, Stiff Arm said:

Luke Hodge, Jacob Weitering and Sam Walsh?

But it's a decision for now, not the past

Fair call to say each of them would be in 'arguably the best' range.

Personally I'd say Rozee (pick 5) has edged past Walsh now, though Walsh was an amazing early gun and remains elite.

Weitering has to compete with Oliver (4) and C Curnow (12), which might never be splittable given the totally different positions.

Hodge v Judd is an enduring debate, of course. But that 2001 draft produced multiple club champions, Brownlow and Norm Smith medallists - including the talent surge that turned Geelong from mediocre to decade-long dynasty.

The trades being talked about for Reid are greater than Geelong's entire 2001 draft hand!

Edit: Gary Ablett Jr was also in 2001, so the Hodge v Judd debate is slightly moot.

The talk of burning multiple first round and even top-5 picks to get Pick 1 deeply scares me.

For all the hype, you have to go back to Nick Riewoldt to find a no.1 pick who was the best player in their draft. Maybe Brendan Goddard in that season's overall pretty weak draft.

Less than 1 in 20 isn't a good enough strike rate to give up multiple picks which have almost as good (or in the case of picks 4 and 5, better) strike rates!

Please could everyone spare a thought for my nerves and stop chasing only the shiniest stone?

31 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Goody just mozzed the girls!

No worries. You can't mozz a goat.

Miyamoto Mushashi < Demons AFLW 2023.

On 9/24/2023 at 6:18 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What I've seen in recent years is a shed-load of 18 year olds ripping it up in their first year. Can't think of one player in the comp in the last 10 years who could be described as being played to early resulting in hindered development.

I do wonder - the last four drafts have been 60 or so kids. Before that it was around 75-85 for most of the last 20 years except for a couple of blowouts with more than 100 picks used. That's essentially every club taking one fewer new player in each draft.

Lists overall have been getting older, with mature players more likely to be retained as depth. Even in weaker clubs now you're less likely to see mobs of kids dumped onto the field to see how they go. Except North, who will burn forever as a result.

Part of me wonders if the competition as a whole experienced a cultural shift in reaction to the Gold Coast, GWS and, yes, Melbourne failures after each of those clubs went too hard on the turnover and rebuild or simply thought that pumping through the high draft picks would equal success. It's a more mature competition overall, as well as more mature lists in simple age terms.

Lol. That last highlight of Hibberd with the chase down - I swear he was doing the Naruto run for extra speed.

2 hours ago, adonski said:

A pacy midfield option projected to go late first round onwards...

He clearly knows hot to get involved in moving the ball constructively.

With every passing day I'm thinking that the real draft jackpot this season could be a bundle of late first/early second round role players who have done fine at under-18s without catching a lot of attention.

7 hours ago, 58er said:

I was into British comedies ie Fawlty Towers, Are You Being Served and Yes Minister with IMO far superior if vastly different comedy lines and topics.
 

I think it says a lot that you can name three major British comedy series and there's more diversity in that set of three than just about the entire range of US comedies. Also far more memorable scenes of building a joke up to a crescendo, and far more quotable one-liners. It's rapid turnaround consumables versus generation-defining art.

And if you want an epic reach of a metaphor - the extreme variety of British comedy versus the persistent sameness of US comedy is a tangible example of what happens when you manage your audience based on repeatedly hitting the 'largest aggregate target' (US model currently employed by the AFL) versus the 'nurture each niche in the market and enjoy the wondrous variety' (UK model / all-clubs-engaged football).

Everything is about football in the end