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I don't think he is the problem, but he's part of an ongoing divide between a younger generation, and the establish "boys club" that has been around since the good ol' days of 186. I've been calling for him to be traded dating back to 2012, and I get absolutely hounded every time I say it. If we miss finals this year, do not be surprised if he asks for a trade to a finals contender. IMO it would be the best thing for him and club. Allow the likes of Oliver, Viney, Trac, Hogan and TMac to really step into the leadership role and guide the club. Jones is a good player, far from great. He's not the problem, but I have been and always will be of the belief that as long as remnants of 186 remain at the club, we will continue to struggle and be pushed around. And yes, that includes the likes of Gawn. TMac and Viney are the extreme exceptions in this case. He was useful and a stalwart during the real down years. As we're growing up as a team, he reminds me of that tenured person in an office that is always complaining, always bullying younger, new people and calling them out for the most trivial of things. It stifles growth, and stops newcomers from filtering through and taking the reigns. A good leader empowers those around them to be their best. Jones should not be -- and isn't -- our best player. Evidently, he's also not our best captain. Blaming him for any issues we have on-field is a massive stretch. But I do believe he's filling a hole that we desperately need more natural, empowering leaders to fit into. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Goodwin sees it the same way.

No doubt that the fact most of our small forwards are so up and down on form, contributes to our scoring troubles. Garlett ANB Bugg Melksham Kent Harmes All have mostly had forgettable starts to the season. Garlett's pressure most notably is nonexistent and he should be dropped. Willing to give Harmes another run. I imagine both Harmes, Kent and ANB out next week for Fristch, Pederson and maybe JKH?

100%. No doubting the effort. The problem tonight however was structurally. Goodwin has had a terrible start to the year, really. It's going to be a huge lesson for him. Hopefully he benefits from it.

I sweat to god this is the same issue we've had for 30 years. Ever since I've started supporting this club, we've had poor skills.

I don't even care anymore. It's really not worth it.

Get [censored], losers.

I'm not going for the rest of the year.

stretch lol

So we're at 6 goals across 6 quarters, and 2 good quarters of 7. We'll need 6+ goals this quarter to be within a chance of winning.

Game on.

Defensively we are doing okay but structurally everywhere else it's actually worse than last week.

Shhhhhhh. Positive.

Support the boys, don't be so negative, long way to go, it's not the coach, and other Demonland cliches.

we're getting destroyed

Richmond just needs to settle and they'll [censored] this in by 7-8 goals. We're awful.

If we're winning and the game is in the bag, and the crowd flashed on the screen and it's 87k+, I expect all Melbourne supporters to cheer as loud as they can.

Sky is clearing up to the west. It'll clear up.

I hope it keeps raining. We can't just pray it never rains when we play. If we can't win on the MCG on a wet day we don't deserve to play finals.

ARL? What year is it?

Dees by 6 goals.

Gee, Tigers fans aren't confident on Bigfooty. Between calls of "Campaigners" and "Tanking" (Jones being called a "balled campaigner" was my favourite), they're mostly calling a heavy loss. Big change from early in the week. Big test for the Tigers. Prestia also looks to be a late change for them. I suspect we'll shorten in close to $2 ahead of the game tomorrow.

Rubbish. Weeds' first game against Hawthorn was as good as you'd hope from a developing key forward.

I think there is more to it. Obviously we're gonna need fresh legs for Essendon. He'll be a good in on a faster track. Our entire forward line had a poor day.

Our best team for the year imo. Fritsch probably unlucky.

Don't disagree with any of these posts, but it was mainly the way in which they gave up from midway through the 3rd that really worried me.