leucopogon

Might sound a bit harsh, but Trengove and Watts can now finally be added to the drafting/development failure list at MFC, not looking very good for Toumpas either (how slow is he?).

Is that fair on the rest of the competition though? Like Bruce and Denis were saying during the call, our bottoming out couldn't have happened at a worse time in the history of the competition as the talent pool to replenish us was diluted by the entrance of the two expansion clubs. But we still made an absolute hash of things in the drafting and development department so in essence dug our grave. The fact that our most experienced players have never seen any success at the Dees just seems to be resulting in a viscious downward spiral of confidence and results, and all the new players are just continuing the de-evolution process as they are mentored by a bunch of serial failures (not slagging Roos, I'm talking about the other players here). Do we deserve PP's because of the club's adiministration failures? I think 17 other clubs would strongly (and rightly) argue no way.

We'll be bottom this year, of that I have no doubt at all.

The way I see it is we're looking at a generation of failure at this club (i.e. 10+ years in the bottom half) and if this doesn't see the club fold or merge I'll be very surprised. I'm not advocating tearing up memberships or not renewing if you haven't already as that will simply accelerate what is seemingly inevitable. Two games in and the season is shot for what is it now, the 8th year in a row!? I can't watch them play any more (living in Perth by the way), because I become angry, despondant, and finally depressed. My 6 year old son was barracking for the Dees at the start of the game but after the end of the first half had simply gone off to play in the other room as he wasn't at all interested in hanging around to see a team get blown apart. I don't blame him. I think we're looking at the end of the Demons supporter base with my generation X, maybe some in the 90s who witnessed the yo-yo Daniher years (sadly years and memories that I crave so badly now), but surely our support base from those born in the late 90s onwards must be close to nil. How is that sustainable? We're royally screwed.

I'm not so sure, I reckon he'd be wasted after the first 2 or 3 cones of the first session haha

How he went number 2 looking at that footage is beyond me, he plods around even as an 18 year old and his field kicking is all up and under rubbish.

I had one problem with that article: I couldn't think of 3 stars playing for my team

I'm assuming we have clearly abandoned the "hardest team to play against" game plan? How much time and space are we trying to give them here? Incredible we aren't 10 goals down.

i'd like to see a new rule brought in, I think if a ball is touched off the boot a mark should still be paid if it travels the required 15 m distance. I'm so sick of the spectacle of seeing players take great grabs from kicks that were touched and not hearing the umps call of "touch ball" only to then suffer the ignominy of claiming the mark looking all confused while they get mercilessly tackled resulting in what would 9 times out of ten be a holding the ball decision but which is usually balled up as they are given the benefit of the doubt of not hearing the "play on" call. Happens at least once a game and it tarnishes the brand for mine. Obviously, if a shot at goal is touched off the boot it shouldn't be a goal.

Christ every 2nd post on this forum is defamation!

Saw nothing in that interview to inspire much confidence. Just the usual cliches and platitudes. Comments that concerned me about the coaching of the club: "Whatever team we're put up against we're gonna attack them the same way" Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'd be concerned if they aren't being coached to approach each opponent slightly differently, depending on their relative strengths and weaknesses and gameplan tendencies. Not sure what to make of this comment but doesn't inspire much confidence in me about our match-day preparation considering how bad we've been so far this season. Anyway, I still think it was a bad decision making the young bloke co-skipper, he doesn't come across as a leader of men, more like a school prefect. He's too bloody young.

I realised tonight that I'm as mentally weak as the club I support as I watched in horror at the first half. I couldn't take any more of that so went for a drive to try and clear my head but for some stupid reason kept turning the radio on to check the score. By the time I got home the game was almost done and we were 120+ points down. I was absolutely ropable and ended up getting into a major argument with my wife which I'm completely ashamed of. How mentally weak am I that I can let this club affect me in such a huge way that it jeopardises my relationship with my family. So it is for this reason that I must stop following the club, stop investing so much of my emotional happiness in the fortunes of a bunch of overpaid, pi55weak losers who have failed to inspire me and put me in a bad mood almost every winter weekend for the past 6 years. I'm done.

A lot of people are getting defensive on this thread. I don't see the topic as a "who's the better player?" Issue rather than a "which player is a better fit for MFC?" Issue. Toumpas will likely be good but we need players like Wines to support Jones and Viney right now. Our midfield is so undermanned its not even true and to draft a pacy winger when wines was available was a mistake I think.

I'm sick of having the pity of my mates and family who all support other teams and having absolutely no comeback for it. I don't feel like I've got anything to rest a hope on or get excited about. Jack viney is going to be good but one player does not a team make. Who knows what's going to happen this season, all sights point to another spoon and a possible coach sacking.

We certainly did make a mistake in my opinion

Players I want dropped and maybe delisted asap: Sellar Pedersen Gillies Tapscott Nicholson Watts Dunn Other changes: Clark captain Nath jones vice Neeld on the thinnest ice ever.

Why don't we sack royal just to see what happens?

Ah let em be hey? According my last demon heartbeat magazine we're doing all the right things

One of the the worst things to happen to our list was jamar and frawley being named all Australian, it's like they achieved that and thought ok we can stop working hard now. Guess what the game has passed you by boys

We need to strip grimes and trengove of the captaincy seriously, if they are AFL captains then I'm a Nobel laureate

We need to get rid of the other half of the list, this is a joke

Poor Jesse hogan, imagine what he's thinking

Like watching a snuff film now

Lets rebuild again

I feel sick, pedersen can't weight a ball to Clark running into open goal and now Clark's injured again HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME CAM PEDERSEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!