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Amusing, but what is really scary is the photo of the team with hands on hearts. I just hope it is a photoshop fiddle, but I fear not. I reckon if Yanks stood on their heads, we'd be doing it pretty soon after.

We may be paddling around in circles, but Robbo is diving to the bottom.

The latter is likely to be true. The possibility that the internal message is somewhat different than the media one doesn't seem to cross the mind of those who over-react to what is put out in the media. While you could argue that such 'hypocrisy' will badly effect the players, it is also possible that the players are intelligent enough to understand the need for a different angle on things internally vs externally.

Ease up - he clearly did not say 'nothing was wrong at all'. Unless you think the word 'mistake' in his phrase "the only mistake was picking the wrong coach" has a different meaning than that found in the dictionary. He might be over-optimistic a lot of the time, but no need to exaggerate. Personally I prefer to read posts which have at least some degree of optimism in them rather than some of the negative reaction that some posters make instantaneously to almost any event. And no, I don't think they are justified to be like that simply on the basis of how cr*p we have been.

Before getting too concerned, the first question to ask is did ASADA request him or was it imposed on them. I got the impression it was the former but not sure why I have that impression. Anyone sure either way?

Was there any evidence that he actually got the cream let alone used it? I can't recall the text message quoted, but wasn't it more along the lines of 'go and get some'?

We don't have to get worse to risk his reputation. We just have to not improve much. What else is he going to say? It's only diehard Demonland types that dwell on every word he says, so there is no harm in a bit of repetition in a broader audience. If you want us to have a media presence for all sorts of membership/sponsorship reasons then I reckon he's doing it pretty well.

I assume this is a poor attempt at comedy. Otherwise I suppose you'd be happy to risk your reputation on a 'basket case' just for a few more dollars than you'd be getting doing something else safer.

How can you say 'More Neeld bashing' when his remarks covered a longer period than Neeld's tenure? He was 'bashing' where the club had got to, which is hardly 'bashing' given our performance As for diplomacy, I'd prefer him to be straight than spin until I'm dizzy watching. Re Clark, sounds like you are right. Perhaps it shows Roos is looking at the longer term. It must be tempting to risk him in early rounds just to increase the chance of a respectable stat to the season. That would be unfair to Clark, so good on Roos.

Don't just stand there. Go and distract them.

I like the phrase about Dank in Masters' article: "after a regime of vial and error" The pun on 'trial and error' is good, but I wonder if he also intended a pun on 'vile' which describes Essendon's treatment of its players accurately.

The Murdoch press referring to ASADA as "The secretive agency...." is typical of their axe-grinding on almost any issue. The main secret I'd like ASADA to reveal is, if they are so underfunded as it appears, why weren't they given a bigger budget once it was clear that 2 major codes needed investigating simultaneously.

Ah the boundless pessimism of Demons supporters. At least let us replace 'no doubt' with 'probably'.

WTF? I didn't say you did. You've forgotten that you had said: "...I wasn't even replying to you in the first place." Happy to 'let it go', but even happier if you could temper your put-downs of other posters. Like This Quote MultiQuote

Geez, this is a forum. If you want to send private messages to someone do it another way. I'm free to comment on what you said about BB's post - in fact I said that I agreed with you. Can't see why I shouldn't add a comment about the way you posted.

How about you put <lighthearted> ....... </lighthearted> around your remarks to make it clear to us precious types when you are being lighthearted and when you are being abusive.

I agree mjt. BB is being unrealistic. But do you always have to add things like 'making a fool of yourself'. It is possible to disagree with someone without abuse.

The optimism expressed by pitmaster suggesting 8 wins/finals of course. You are so keen to insert the knife, very sad really.

You are assuming that his postponing contract talks implies he is sure we won't make the finals. Doesn't automatically follow. Any old argument will do to dampen any optimism anyone is foolish enough to express.

He could attempt to drive change and still quite reasonably wait to see if he succeeded.

That view is understandable. But there has to be a limit for supporters somewhere. To illustrate what I mean by an extreme example, I would take no joy in a 2014 flag if the entire MFC team was replaced tomorrow by Hawthorn players. Would anyone?

I suspect your first sentence probably tells the story. Sloppy journalism. If the problem was actually his foot, rather than being mentioned as a throw-away line at the start of the article, you'd expect it to be followed up in detail in the article. But it wasn't.

In my dementia you won't know what is going on in my mind. That vacant look will be me reliving 1964. With a bit of luck 20xx as well.

The advantage of dementia is that even if we haven't won a flag by then, we can think we have.

The phrase "don't go off half-cocked" comes to mind. ASADA can't charge someone with something hoping a bit more evidence to bolster the case may be discovered later. Your statement that they are investigating an entire club concluded with "Realistically not a lot can have been happening for several months now". Surely the wider the investigation the longer it takes.