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Effective kick 4 Points Ineffective kick 0 Points Clanger kick -8 Points Handball effective 2 Points Ineffective handball 0 Points Handball clanger -6 Points Handball receive 1 Point Hardball get 4 Points Loose-ball get 4 Points Goal 8 Points Behind 1 Point Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 1 Point Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points Tackles 4 Points Free kick for 4 Points Free kick against -6 Points Hitout to Advantage 3 Points

And Brown and Armstrong are on the Eagles list and theyre not playing. Gameday will update the list 30 mins prior to the first bounce when they get the sanctioned team lists

He was actually on our senior list, but I dont think he was ever close to a game. Had hamstring trouble and probably only played about a half dozen reserve games. Was a strongly built flanker with a penetrative kick who, with a receding hairline, looked a lot older than he was. Predominantly a half back and was recruited from Port Adelaide via Port Augusta. Think of Luke Norman and you have roughly the same sort of player in Taylor. Not sure where he is playing now, if at all.

Ward wasnt loose he played a solid accountable game on Eagleton

And Jaded, did you see Petterd's suicidal effort at going for the ball in the second quarter (i think) - fearless stuff! Bate doesnt do that - yet.

Well Jaded, the crucial mark he dropped in the third quarter was the result of him dropping his head and he did it again in that quarter. Watch the replay and come back to me on that one. He's a good kid but he needs to improve his contesting aerially and at ground level, that's part of his learning process. The other parts of his game clicked today which was great, but when they didn't (ala the previous month), he was pretty poor. FWIW I played a good game once when I knew there was a $100 bonus to any opposition player who put me on a stretcher, so if you want to have a go at my credentials to comment thats up to you to decide, but there are much tougher footballers than me and Bate who post on this board

Putrid example Nuffy - Neitz was a state of origin rep in 1994 at 19, kicked six in a game in 1993 as an 18yo and was 2nd b+f and all-australian in 1995 at age 20

the reason people were having a go at him was because he was shying away from contests, not because of his football ability, and I think the people that had a go at him, and I was one of them, had every right. He was good today, but he still took his eye off the ball a couple of times. Once he starts hitting contests 100% all the time, he will be a good well-rounded player for us.

Spot on Deanox, but he needs to string a few together to cancel out the question marks that a pretty horrid first month placed upon him

He came off of his own volition, Jaded, coaching staff had nothing to do with it, put his hand up called for the trainer and then limped off - definitely injured, just hope its a low grade strain.

Well Petterd limped off so must be in doubt (though it may just have been tightness in hamstring, not a strain), Warnock will probably miss cause the dogs are small up front, with Pickett a chance to miss if Ricky comes up

Pretty certain he limped off with a hamstring strain??? Any news

He was v.good but he still drops his head in marking contests, which is an unconditional don't do...another thing to consider is that his dominance was when he was playing on Thomas and Surjan, both of whom were giving away plenty of height. A good sign, but one swallow does not a summer make.

Jaded your diatribes of players is very patriotic, but almost always misguided or inarticulate, saying Bell has higher possession average than Johncock is ridiculous - Johncock has played two games, one of which he was carried off on a stretcher, still his average is less than .5 lower than Belly's, thirdly, they are completley different players and finally Johncock is in a different class altogether, why the comparison!!! Pointless blabber!!! Bell was destroyed by Goddard earlier this year. Bell is an honest, improving player who will probably be remembered as a good player when his career is over, but really he is nothing to sing and dance about, DemonAndrew is kind of right but a bit harsh. Sylvia is ordinary at best at the moment, but injuries have crippled him severely, not anything near the player he was as a junior, just gotta hope he can get some continuity in his career.

It was an ordinary game...Crouch blanketed him well

Molan was a very, very unlucky footballer. Saw him play last week for Spotswood and he was amazing. Obviously its a massive class drop, but he has talent just never got to show it

joeboy did some shifty editing and added one in at the bottom

thats only 21 players joeboy

Well actually he has played like this incredibly often in his career, which makes it hard to cop the persistent derision he recieves in favour of unproven, anonymous, young buzz players.

The villain of the club, needed a post after such an excellent game

You are joking, Jaded, why you consistently sink your knees into Yze is beyond me, fair enough he is not playing well, but to emphasize him as a dropping candidate when there are the equally or more bad Ferg, PJ, Jamar, and Bate and then support CJ, who cant earn his own football at senior level and has never done anything is a disgrace. There is no way in Hades' hell that CJ shouldnt have been dropped, he was dreadful against St Kilda and barring five minutes against Hawthorn was anonymous in that game. Time I think you took a quality not quantity approach to posting and maybe do a Level 1 coaching accred, while your at it. I think weve all got the point about Yze.

Its a pretty reasonable selection, given the circumstances - CJ unfortunately has been invisible and needs more time to get his body strong enough to allow him to win his own football at senior level - We need talls to counter Mooney, Ablett, Hawkins and Ottens - so Ferguson Carroll, Holland and Wheatley are needed, you could argue we are still overmatched for defensive height and PJ comes in as Neitz replacement. Yze shouldnt have kamikazed himself after round one, where he was not in our worst 11 players, aside from the droped mark howler, and comes back into the side to provide some proven goalkicking power. IMHO Bate is lucky and Bizzell unlucky, but cause he didnt play any football last week, thats prob why he misses out. Its an ordinary team, but I can understand it...Newton is very raw and needs some more time...he will get his chance and Petterd and Buckley are pressuring Ward, Brown and Bate.

Actually we wouldnt have won tghe flag in 87 had we gone through - Flower, Wilson and one other would have missed through injury and Carlton thrashed Hawthorn in the GF

Nathan Jones - started OK, doing some nice things and then fading from view for a quarter or two before being a primary factor in the last quarter rally. He has a few rough edges, but has the requisite hardness and ball winning ability - 5.5 Matthew Bate - I mentioned last week that Bater plays a lot smaller than he is - and his perfomance yesterday refreshes that view. At this stage, he is not performing to AFL standard, too many times he refused to contest aerially and on a couple of occasions he fumbled, predicting body contact. He runs out on to the field as an AFL player and so he must cop the criticism that he recieves this week and adjust his approach to the game - he did a couple of exciting things and gets a lot of the ball, but there was a lot to suggest he is not ready yet - 3.5 Brad Miller - really responded well, leading up and providing an option in centre field but also taking the odd contested mark and showing hitherto unseen composure in front of goal. One of the bright sparks in a dreary day - 7 David Neitz - started well before injury ruined his day - 2 Daniel Ward - I like Wardy, but there is little doubt he hurts the team too much by burning the football too much and he was quieter than usual yesterday - 4 Travis Johnstone - completely subdued by Sewell, Johnno had a miserable afternoon and spent most of the day chasing, laid seven tackles which boosts what was an otherwise dismal afternoon - 2 Chris Johnson - CJ started OK getting a few kicks and distrtibuting the ball well, unfotunately so far this season he has shown a complete inability to win his own footy and have a physical impact on the contest. He has the skills but similar to Bate looks like a kid playing a man's game - 2.5 Brad Green - Greeny's copping a fair bit of flak, but he is certainly trying, putting his body in and being accountable for his man. His lack of leg speed is a concern in the midfield, he just doesnt seem to get the space required to have an offensive impact - 4.5 Daniel Bell - I thought Bell was very ordinary in round one, but played a great deal better yesterday. He showed a bit more poise and certainly a willingness to be a bit more creative, which you need from your small to medium defenders. Thought he coped quite well with Williams, when swung onto him, which was positive - 5.5 Brent Moloney - certainly tried to stamp his mark, but at times was overzealous to the team's detriment. Did some good things but had no real bearing on the contest - 4.5 James McDonald - another honest game from Junior punctuated with a terrific last quarter that got us fleetingly back in the contest. 30 touches is a good return but it wasn't, in truth, a damaging 30-touch game -7 Russell Robertson - played with his usual zest and tried to conjure opportunities for himself from left field, but found the task beyond him. Missed chances he would normally have slotted before injury took hold - 4.5 Nathan Brown - put simply he is the archetypal 'can get it, but cant kick it' player. One peace of play summed him up in the last when he won critical contest using courage and pace, fed to a team-mate, worked his arse off to get it back and then gave it straight to the opposition. He does a lot of good things, but they are undone by poor distribution technique - 5.5. Jared Rivers - had a good duel with Franklin who tried to run him and his suspect hammy around. Never looked like being a consummate Rivers game, but he was a solid contributor on a day when that puts you in or near the best - 5.5 Simon Godfrey - much to the chagrin, no doubt, of many, Godders earnt another by game by working hard, providing an option and finishing quite neatly as well. He is clearly a player that understands his limitations but is trying to improve - an attitute that hopefully spreads. Well done! - 6.5 Paul Wheatley - did one or two nice things but on the whole was very ordinary, bordering on anonymous. Carried a shoulder injury in the latter part of the game - 2 Cam Bruce - got a lot of the football and was one of the better players, but is wasteful and burns the football too much - 6.5 Jeff White - without being a bad player, he just didnt have the impact he should have had against the calibre of Campbell and Taylor - 4 Aaron Davey - just having no impact offensively at all. Chased and harrassed well, but more is expected, needed. Hobbling in the last quarter by lower leg pain - 3.5 Mark Jamar - an omission certainty were it not for a decent last quarter when he started to ruck well - two goals inflated his performance up forward, which was, in a word, abject. Has ability, but the sublety of an axe murderer - 3.5 Nathan Carroll - his opponent played well but Carroll was far better this week, doing some hard work and involving himself in some nice link play. Still prone to the odd calamitous mistake, though - 5 Matthew Whelan - played out of the square, he could neither contain Williams, nor provide his usual mop up and creativity. Seems out of form - 4

Bate is a peaheart, pure and simple - got the body, the athleticism and the kick, that will allow him to play at this level, but he will never amount to anything if he is this soft.