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Yeah Ronda Rousey is on paleo diet, as are many other fighters, as is Gary Ablett junior. Paleo is also widespread amongst the CrossFit community who, say what you like about it, produce some seriously phenomenal athletes. In theory, our footballers should be as energised, through carbo hit from bananas, green vegetables etc and stronger (protein hit from the unprocessed meats) whilst being leaner through not eating processed carbs and toxins which store on the body. End result is players that can do more work, quicker for longer.

I think it is a bit of a furphy that St Kilda are in such desperate need for tall forwards. They have Riewoldt obviously for the short term and Spencer White is breaking through and they have Tom Lee and Tim Membrey plus Longer and Hickey to fit in as well. The reality is Stanley May have struggled to get a game unless he played as the second ruck or key back, which assuredly is where he'll play for the Cats.

I referred to it more in the context the club had ample opportunity to keep Evans on the list but it picked Up Newton and then when Barry retired they still pushed ahead with delisting him. Perhaps a reason the player may have cracked it if he did.

Don't forget that in between any interview process Dom Barry retired and they still proceeded with the move to delist him.

McCartin - 13 games 108 marks 41 goals 28 behindsBoyd - 20 games 121 marks 67 goals 25 behinds Patton - 24 games 57 goals No stats for Patton but he was used more higher up the ground than the other two and would statistically cover them for marks and possessions. He also played in a comparatively poor side. Boyd's stats do not include the few games he played as a double under-ager.

Definitely good outcome for us. My mail is he was a very unhappy camper when given the news

He also loved Jasper Pittard - "best kid interviewed" but didn't take him when had the chance.

The basis for the global assessment of his talent came primarily from his TAC Cup form where he was closely watched whilst playing with Jack Viney at the Chargers. What he'd done with GWS may have been a factor but they got him for the potential showed at under-age level.

I think your taking some liberties with what I've said. I'm not saying Frawley is gone or that players should absolutely be traded with six years left. I'm just saying that the mathematical likelihood is that we're better off with Pick 3 for Frawley as opposed to keeping him and when you factor in our defensive options in his absence the case is bolstered. And I like who we most likely will get with Pick 3. If Jesse Hogan is as advertised, a lynchpin key position forward, I would never trade him, even with six year's left. I'm hoping Hogan turns out to be a lot more valuable than Frawley. I don't think it a fair comparison. I would probably trade Tommy Mac for Pick 3 at any stage from now until eternity unless he really, really improves to being a transcendental defender. Would I trade Nathan Jones for Pick 3? Interesting question and I would probably rate him less than most but I wouldn't in this draft and given our midield situation. I would, however, trade him for Adam Treloar, or Brad Crouch or Jaeger O'Meara and if a club said we're taking one of Jones or Tyson, I would strongly consider letting them have Jones. As for Dunn, giving him a four year deal is madness but he was pretty good this year and Frost if he can develop some nous has the athleticism to be a good defender. Did we lose much defensively with Frawley up forward. Let's see how we go this year. We will have the highest rated debutant in the competition and picks 2 and 3 on the list. There is some optimism.

Agreed Frawley consumes the cap room and agree it could hinder them. Not relevant really but I would have had an issue if we traded 2 and 3 and spent 1 million a year on Dangerfield or another player because you are paying heavily from both ways you can improve your team (capspace and draft). Like the blue sky junkie reference. I happily concede that I think the only way we can win a premiership is by getting in great draft talent. I think giving up that ideology leads to a forlorn existence. You mention we lose Frawley's 100+games of stellar defensive play. Can't argue. But the reality is in theory we are swapping 100 of Frawley at full back for Lynden Dunn's 100 games and, if I were in charge, a very talented key forward who take a lot of pressure of Hogan and may give us some serious weaponry up forward. Don't forget Tyson was picked up primarily off the back of his TAC play and not off what he'd done for GWS and that trade is an excellent example of a good decision made by the footy club. That's the blue sky! If they make continuous good decisions success will follow.

Yeah but Frawley is 26 mate - Pick 3 will be an 18yo. You get 6 years of Frawley versus the entire career of Pick 3. And it's true, Colin Sylvia was a better TAC Cup player than Petracca. i would draft an 18yo Frawley at Pick 2 but St Kilda would take him first in your ill-brained scenario.

Ellis - no. Masten - yes (close but his 200+plus games through the midfield would be handy over Frawleys 120 down back when we have T.Mac, Dunn, Garland and Frost) Sylvia - (i would take his talent as an 18yo with Paul Roos coaching and developing) better player than Petracca at same age. I would take Day and 13 years of Hansen over Frawley any day. Dustin Martin is an anomaly but i would take an 18yo Dustin Martin, naeve to any personality issue, any day of the week over Frawley. If I knew he'd behave id take just his next five over Frawley only.

I would also point out that in the last 20, of all the pick 3s taken, only three played or arguably project to play less games than Frawley will from this stage - they being Brendan Fewster and Lachie Plowman (from compromised drafts) and Xavier Ellis. The rest all comfortably cover Frawley's likely games output and include multiple club captains, multiple premiership winners, multiple Norm Smith medallists, all-Australians, a Brownlow medallist, a 300 gamer and a likely selection in a VFL/AFL greatest team of all time. Some of the young ones are a chance to achieve some of these feats as well.

Frawley is going to play 5 or 6 years for Hawthorn in all likelihood which is what we are losing, the second half of his career. Pick 3 is in theory likely going to play 13 to 14 years. I would rather have 13 years of the vast majority of picks 2 or 3 than the last five or six of Frawley's. From which I deduce in terms of expected value and mathematical probability we are better off with Pick 3 than Frawley. Would you not trade Frawley for an 18yo Stephen Hill or an 18 yo Lachie Hansen, for Sam Day or for an 18yo Dustin Martin or Lachie Whifield?

Im just assessing these players careers versus Frawley and whether I'd rather have their careers versus the second half of Frawley's.

We didn't trade him out. It wasn't a decision the club made. Cannot fathom how anyone would think losing Frawley to a mechanism we have no control over and getting pick 3 for him is a bad result.

Im sure many would trade Frawley for Billings, Tyson, Day, Martin, Hill and Griffen and don't forget the Plowman draft year was compromised by the mini-draft for a start which would mean the best 3 players would be O'Meara, Crouch, Whitfield without considering the expansion draft concession 17yos. From the pick 2s - Kelly, Bennell, NicNat, Cotchin, Roughead and probly even Thomas you would happily trade Frawley for their careers/potential and 12 years of Andrew Walker Id probably cop over 4 or 5 Frawley years as well - ditto Lachie Hansen and Chris Masten

There's no doubt he can play and he is most likely going to go back to being one of the best one-on-one defenders in the game again, which is why he is so prized. Lake is in his last season, Schoenmakers is not from what I can tell the answer, so Hawthorn had the problem of what they are going do at full back beyond 2015 and were willing to fork out to get him. Why I think getting Pick 3 for him is a good result has nothing to do with whether he is necessarily a good player or not, it is that last year he spent the season as a roaming CHF because we were able to complile a reasonably good defensive setup without him and if we can format a good back six without him going forward, to be able to get Pick 3 for him isn't a bad result If most people submitted their best 22s for Round 1, 2015 many, even with Frawley off the list, won't have Colin Garland in it, who would have but for missing a game won the 2013 B+F and they'd have Dunn, Frost and McDonald as the three key defenders, with Jetta, Grimes and Lumumba or Howe in it. Does it concern you so much not having Frawley in that context? Obviously things go wrong and football isn't predictable but if Dunn holds down full back and there was some evidence - his blanketing of Cloke and Schulz in particular - that suggested to me that he may be able to with some success and the outrageously long four-year deal the club gave him suggests they think he can, are we losing that much. If the back six plays well for the next four or five years without Frawley then we can come of it the other side with a pick 3 with half his career left to play. It's not an issue of other club's judgment either. Every team in the comp would want Frawley for nothing and many would have been in the fight. It's a situation where we lose a player and its a lucky thing that the system has allowed us to make the best of it. Personally, given our current defensive stocks I'm happy to bargain the loss of Frawley for a roll of the dice at one of the better pure full forwards to come through the TAC Cup in a while.

Absolutely no chance of that. By doing that you are effectively trading Pick 53 for Pick 90 or something along those lines. And with Trengove injured long-term there is no obstacle to Harmes playing if his form warrants.

I can guarantee he has been brought in to play down back. He is not a particularly effective forward and we won't not take a forward because of Frost's acquisition.

Jamie Shanahan is there and I'd betting Shaun Smith is the one with the bit of hair only near nathan brown. FWIW apparently Matty Collins still absolutely loves the Dees, follows the club passionately.

Evans has been training

Cockatoo-Collinses went to Wesley

Similar situation to Petracca who would been taken from 15 onwards last year as well. Brayshaw would have been a chance to go higher than 30, played some good football last year.

Would be absolute insanity to trade in for pick 40 and not use it.