Lord Travis

Fixed that for you. By the time his body is AFL ready in a few years our premiership window will likely be closed unless we can become Geelong/Richmond and just land endless quality trade requests to stay in the hunt.

Pick 27 for Grundy on paper is a great trade. Still hard to picture how him and Gawn will work together without diminishing each others strengths, but at least the club is being creative here and has replaced a ruckman in Jackson immediately. Worried how much his salary is going to cost us though!

This is stupid. Talk about milking it for all it's worth. Media discussion has been all day every day for weeks at this point. It's got more coverage than a [censored] war impacting the entire globe. It's shameful.

Remember this pick will become pick 15 after the two likely bids. Doubt Phillipou or Humphry will slide to 15, so we're likely to get scraps or someone like Jefferson here. We desperately need a KPF, but Jefferson seems the only one around this mark in phantom drafts, and he's less than 80kgs and looks years away from having a body ready for AFL. On the vision I've seen, he looks more a like a pick 40 project player than a first round elite talent. Hollands could be a best case scenario to give us more outside run and skill. Disappointing result to not get a higher pick, as we're losing elite talent and likely not replacing it with elite talent. Hopefully there's still more dealing to come and we get inside the top 10 and give ourself a better shot at replacing elite talent with elite talent. As suggested earlier in this thread, we may be better off trading this pick out for future 1st rounders in hope that we can access elite talent next year instead of average talent this year.

What the [censored] did I just watch?!

If we give up 13 for 16 I’ll spew

He’s not a demon anymore, so I look forward to Steven May belting the back of his head “spoiling” a few high balls next year. He’s already missing two front teeth, what’s a few more 😉

He can replace BBrown and TMac as a bloke heading into retirement who struggles to get out on the park and has a limited impact when he does 🤭

We're getting screwed here. If pick 13 (which in reality will be closer to 15 or 16 after bids) is the best we get for a 20 year proven pick 3, then we've lost out big time. Anything less than a top 5 pick is a loss. Anything outside top 10 pick is a disaster IMO. Points are irrelevant and two lower picks don't equal a higher pick. We're losing elite talent, we need to replace it with elite talent. Blah blah back your recruiters etc. We shouldn't have to. We should get our pick of anyone in the draft, not watered down less talented left overs. What happened to getting at least one top 10 pick that Tim Lamb publicly spouted the other day? Looks like we bent over unfortunately.

Nope. Seems the club will have to back in our current list to get the job done, even with less depth than this year. We'd been speaking to Harry McKay, but he signed a long extension. There's no other decent tall forwards on the market, so we're in a bit of a tricky spot with Ben Brown and TMac battling injury and form leading into retirement over the next 1-2 years.

Couldn't be further from it. Mac Andrew was a skinny kid drafted on potential with glimpses of magic but ultimately little output. Cadman is physically developed at 90kgs +, and has great output. Highest goal kicker at the level, high in the marks and contested marks stat, finds a lot of ball when playing as roaming CHF type, dragged his team over the line at times. He warrants a top 5 selection. Andrew did not warrant a first round selection, and his output before and since been drafted has shown that. Seems Cadman is beyond our reach now even if we get a top 5 pick. It's a shame as he really is the only person who fills a direct list need in the first round for us IMO. Typical that the only year we're likely to have a high pick, it's a dud draft with nothing we need.

It's all posturing chest beating rubbish. Come end of trade period, most of the deals will likely get done with fair compensation. I blame the footy media and the AFLs thirst for year round coverage. The fact trade WEEK is longer than a week for a start is stupid. The AFL just wants to get as much media courage as possible, and so everyone who cares is subjected to days upon days of braindead blokes making stuff up and destroying any semblance of respect they once held with the public. Listening to someone like Adam Cooney or Kane Cornes make up hypotheticals and start rumors is the equivalent to papercuts to your scrotum while having your head bashed with a mallet. The trade period should be 1-2 days and clubs should be forced to deal quickly and decisively without all the pissfarting around shuffling late inconsequential picks to try and save face. The point system and rules in place have made trades become too complex. It should be as a simple as Luke Jackson for pick 2. Instead we get Luke Jackson for part of split pick 2, plus a second round, plus a future first round, with a second round coming back... after 1.5 weeks of madness after they've had 12 months to prepare. It's pathetic and takes. a lot of shine away from an otherwise great game. Anyway rant over :P

We wish mate, would make the negotiations much easier and probably net us a better outcome!

Sounds like we've floated him and no club is interested. We'll have to cop his 500k a year salary for another two seasons for a player playing VFL.

He's out of contract. That's the key part of why we hold less leverage than say North do with Jason Horne-Francis, who is under contract and they can therefore hold him to his contract.

He’s an unproven 26 year old who’s undersized for the role he plays. He’s barely worth a pick in a trade and will only get a game at Freo because their forward line is WAFL league level trash.

How can the Cats afford to accomodate such a high salary AND bring in more talented youngsters in Bruhn and Henry when they just won the flag? The entire point of the draft and salary caps is equalisation, yet it seems it's creating an environment that's anything but equal. How are the struggling clubs like North and GC ever meant to become competitive when their top young kids are walking out the door or they can't afford to keep them without paying absurd amounts? The competition is in a terrible spot at the moment!

Fair point LN, didn't even consider that! Der!

No compo for Cordy! Seems a bit rough. He's no world beater, but even a token late pick would be warranted. He played 14 matches at AFL level this year. Surely that counts for something when Liam Jones chose to sit out because he's a plonker and Blues get pick 40 as compo.

Not good enough. Time to go deal with West Coast exclusively. Freo are incompetent. Any pick outside top 10 for Jackson is a failure.

Bad outcome for us. Leaves us no closer to getting a top 10 pick for Jackson. Anything outside top 10 is a failure for us. Sucks for us Freo are a sh*t club!

Not worth anywhere near that. North have to pay higher to attract talent due to being a basket case. We were in the same position 10 years ago. No gun wants to go there, so they're now overpaying for average players. Logue is middle of the road 400k level player. Hopefully for us, the trade is Logue and pick 13 to North for pick 8. Freo then trade us pick 8 and their future first for Jackson. That's probably the best result we can hope for in the Jackson trade.

On draft predictions, you're right he's the next highest rated KPF after Cadman. He's not overly tall and is very slight though at sub 80kgs, so it will be years before we see him at AFL level if he makes it. From the clips I've seen, he' pretty soft and gets outbodied and shrugged off easily by smaller opponents. Cadman is taller and already 90kgs, so he's far more AFL ready. Jefferson had a few good games where he kicked a bag, but he's been inconsistent, so you have to wonder if his good games were just playing against poor opposition. Not against it as we need more tall forwards, but there might be other more physically capable KPF options later in the draft.

Would bloody hope so. If he's gettable he should be our number one target this trade period. He was on the verge of breakout in 2021, kicking 24 goals and averaging 19 disposals. He had some brilliant games late in the season with a 24 touch 4 goal game amongst them. He's still young at 22, is a smooth mover with great skills, and with a fresh start he could become an elite player across half forward or wing for us. I hope we're hassling his manager!