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some pretty fair coments all around. I still think he ( CAC) has earned a better than Pass, and is still probably the only one i'd keep. As it happens I think bate will grow into that CHF we need.

I unfortunately was out.. missed it.. Did they square him up and point blank ask Voss ,if he was offered the Dee job would he take it ?

spread the word folks..

I dont see he'll be under any more pressure than jsut being selected...might chuff him a little to realise we have faith even when the coach doesnt !!

$25 $50 if he kicks 2 or more :-)

wouldnt mind tagging Hird !!

as mentioned elsewhere..Carlton play us twice... just reason would supportany suggestion that they will win one.

If ?? they play us dont they !! lol..twice even... Ah well pick 17 might come in handy come trade week

as an addendum.. Is Whelan fit for selection this week ?

I an d many others have advocated changes for a long while now. But it still needs to be done with some management and common sense ( well maybe we can just have the management bit ). Wholesale changes wont help anyone. I would be inclined to work out a list of those really likely to do something...and those we just want a bit of a squiz at under fire. This week id make just the two basic chanages.. Ooze for Juice...and despite not doing all together a bad job, Bizzel for Whelan. Play this week, see how we all went, then revisit the list. Id leave Byron in for the moment, but he's a likely the next week if not performing.

Id go as far as to say Thomas's exit was nearer 75% to do with the estrangement with Butterrs. StKilda is not....how shall we say it, a club where harmony and co-operation is the norm. It's a club where quiet is but an agreed truce !! That can haemorage at any moment. it will come as no surprise to anyone now that danners may be released. But it was a hell of a shock to many at the Sainters that Thomas was bundled out. They're a strange mob down at ol Linton Ave :-) I I say that nicely as I have a soft spot for the Saints.

I think th esentiments of many is that attention ought to be focused on 'fickle' players before any of us spectators. It just smacks of grasping at straws to attack the fans.

This is paramount. The dynamics of trade and draft weeks will be very much chnaged one way or the othr depending on how we are set up at that point. If a coach is in the seat just 5 mins we may not get the best result as compared to someone knowing they wil ltake up the reigns and having applied some though tif not indeed some actual input..

C O N T E X T !!!! by his standards he had a less than great day...but consider why. He was hunted.. the opposing coach considered him worth the attention. And its his ENDEAVOUR I applauded. So often in the past many of our shiny shiney players. go walkabout when push comes to shove.. He didnt. he kept at it. Considering so many werent seeming trying all that hard his effort was noticed..well was to this observer.

so you make derogatory comments.. but its not personal.. mate that makes as much sense as anything you have written. Im sure others will see it for what its worth. Whats to defend exactly.. keep in mind...we write opinions. Go look it up.. Hardly touchy.. please.. cotinue the comedy. what exactly do you want answers to?

we wont trade White... not now.. could have last contract ..but !! He has no real value at his age and end of his career. He does have somethig to offer but his impact is lessening. He might prove invaluable coaching/mentoring say PJ with around the ground play. Id agree Jamar is tradable and we should move to maximise this

B Bruce...you were watching the game I take it ? Just for the record I dont arse suck.. .. and if you want to take it off topic and get personal..go ahead.. A moron. well mate.. I look at things in context.. not through Bruce coloured glasses.. But please ..do continue..

can i just make a general observation...and a suggestion. When considering a players worth, it has to not only be as they are today but how they might fit into a new remoulded team. When considering how good or bad they are, do it in relation to League standards, not necesarily agiant their team mates. Biz ( I admit it ) hasnt been too bad as a pinch hitting back this year, but we arent exactly flying are we. Belly...has alot of promise.. and he plays often like he's got a lot of promise !!!!!! He's not there by a long shot, but has potential. Now if someone offering more comes along..Im happy to trade Bell.

you have a 10-4 there Big Red !! :-)

Lets be frank...who had impact ?? lol.. no one.. Whitey tried.. but still had no 'impact' Brocky had a shocker.. ( not alone for sure ) but i tell ya... I respect someone who knows they are playing shite.. but still aplly themselves. And he did.. didnt do too much ...but he never NEVER gives in. I like that...I'll be straight up. When you can stand up with 3 hanging on ya most the game..I'l give ya kudos !! :-)

hmm..wont adresss all.. could be here all day firstly had a look at self....yep...just as ugly as this morning.. :-) Miller isnt hated.. we just question the viability of his inclusion in the 1st's.. Fans dont win or lose games.. players do and by referal coaches do. MFC might need to build the product... we dont !! and if they build it...they will come :-)) would I trade Brocky at 28?? in a sec if I thought it was best for the club. Dont trade stalwarts.. ? then you may not remember clubs trading folk such as Peter Moore or Templeton, Croswell ...and i could go on ... ( showing age a bit ) Players are players.. ..I barrack for a TEAM !! Teams win premierships.. ( well ours doesnt..but.... ) I understnd ( as will many ) you have a liking. for Bruce. Good for you. Many also rate him, just not as high or impervious to criticism as yourself. Danners may have got us to a few finals...but each time we were woefully underprepared and /or comptent to the task. When its all shook out...thats all that matters..

Yep...certainly do.. but I ask...why is no one above reproach ? Not saying a bagging.. just a reasoned and thoughtful review of where and what anyone stands for. This is to me part of the systemic problem with Melbourne...we enshrine everything. Just because he's the captain, to me doesnt protect him from our normal observations. Yes he's a brillaint club champion but he's far from perfect. far from all knowing. I'll say it if no one else will...he ( as nay of the players should do ) ought to shut the ***k up and get on with it..do what he does best play footy. He obviously has far too much of an emotional connection with Daniher to offer an unbiased cooment. My rational for this is he's too close to see it in the bigger context. Neeta will be in perfect position to ofer observation of Neale as a person and we can take much from that. Comments like these ( Neitz's) possibly ring the bell of captaincy ?

On one hand I can see Jaded's point of not mattering about the publicness of any goings on re Daniher. Those immediately affected will know. However I can see one benefit of bringing it to the fore. It allows everyone with any form of investment in the MFC , whether it be membership, sponsorship or commentary know that the winds of change are blowing through the cobwebs of stagnation. It might be all thats needed to create a better position going forward for those that make any real decisions. Also lets others know in no uncertain terms that the malaise is over. Mediocrity isnt tolerated, not any more. From another standpoint it reverses things. Much is made of the 'fickleness" of supporters, that we dont possibly understand the true nature of things as we arent privy to all that goes on behind closed doors by people apprently knowing better. It tells many of these same people that those 'others' , the supporters, both spiritually and monetarily ought to be responded too and maybe they were right to a degree. It tells all involved that everyone is on notice and that everyone knows. Yep..make it public, weve been roasted..... their turn !!

In a way youre right... but the point is if he wasnt there doiing what he does best ( and trust me Im no apologist for Hollywood, anyone here will attest that ) we would have been bashed even more. I would suggest he wasnt totall ineffective. He was beaten, but nearly all of our team was. Was just trying to ajudicate from standpoint of who was best six. Bizzel nearly always plays as loose man across the back..nothing new

A lot unfortunately. Thats not said with ay air of belittleness just the observation that many seem far too blinded by some 'attachment' to this player or that !! Some here have proferred the trade of the likes of Yze, Bizzel and some of their cohorts for a long time now. We were barked down as fools back then. Funny how the worm turns. Far too much is implored of players through blinding passion. I dont for one moment suggest to follow this sport without passion just consider the situation we find ourselves in and then adjudicate the realities, not the rose coloured imaginings. There seems far too many idiotic taboos with respect to football, or more precisely the folloing of it. You dare not consider playing supossedly elite players in the 2's , they must always come in to their perviously appointed 'reserved' location on the field, doesnt matter that by doing so opens them up to needless injury extensionetc. and so on and so on. It troubles me that ideas and views such as expressed here by the likes of Deanox ( and others, just his most recent post delivers the dillema succintly ) will fall on deaf ears. It wil be heard as heresy etc. Its just common sense, that most lacking of ingredients. You want to keep your Rose bush lush and beutiful; bountiful and healthy...well you prune liek mad at the righ ttimes and the new growth comes through...and then you do it all over again. Whilst not needing to be quite so brutal to a football team the intent must be the same. For the health and performance of the TEAM personalities and imagined worth must take a back seat to actual contribution thay can make. Sometimes the best contribution possible is by trade. So be it !!