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or . . . just be available in case Chip doesn't come up at the last minute

Yes, this changed. Just the one (white) clash jumper Plus sometimes a one-off promotional jumper (e.g. pink cancer one)

I'll keep it brief I like Matty Bate, he's been one my favourites His development at this stage is below my expectations I rate him but not as high as Dappa Dan He has obvious strengths and weaknesses. He needs to minimise his weaknesses and be more consistent with his strengths He is only 23 and has a good upside He is worth keeping for depth reasons and his potential to take the next step I expect he will be around at least the next two years I'd be disappointed if he went to GC but we could live with it

If only . . . sigh! But its the AFL thats the issue not the club, they define red as "dark" (like it gets hard to see!#$%) We wore red clash jumpers in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2009 see footyjumpers 2007 was the infamous silver one 2010 is the current white one

Indeed some were ok I only put these up because InnerDemon said he thought based on tweet that next years clash jumper would probably incorporate the entwined MFC letters as the twwet said it would be heritage/tradition based Whether it will have this element I don't have a clue. I thought it might be interesting to see what it "might" look like if it did Presumably its all done and dusted, so this was not an attempt at influencing anything

Well I see two contexts 1. What we have to live with at least in the short term (ie predomonately white) 2. What I would really like In context of point 1, yeah I could live with something like that A Q for you. Was that something like what you were thinking? Which of the 6 comes closest to what you like?

Two more variations First one only has heritage elements - the MFC letters and the red verical stripe Second was that plus an attempt to minimise the white

a variation with the original vertical red stripe seen on MFCs first coloured jumper

Were you thinking something like this? or

Answer to what? He just said hark back to tradition . . . he didn't say what that was

For those "maintaining the rage" this was perfectly expected for next year/short term This changes nothing Rome wasn't built in a day

A little history about the "Invincible Whites" nickname Apologies to those who already know this MFC history In the 1860s (the early years of football) the MFC used to wear white uniforms; white tops, white knickerbockers and white stockings. But, so did most of the other teams then. This was probably due to the tradition that cricketers, tennis players etc also wore all white, and maybe because of the easy availability of white (or cream) material and certain off-the-shelf clothing in those days. To distinguish themselves from each other, teams wore colored caps (as in cricket). The MFC wore dark blue. In those early years the MFC ran up such a string of victories that the press nicknamed them the "Invincible Whites" as distinct from the other "Whites". The club did not originate this nickname. Later, a supporter (1872) brought back red stockings from England and the club officially adopted red and blue as the club colours. Now with the blue cap and red stockings the club was nicknamed the Fuschias (after the colours of the flower), or the Redlegs, both of which were used until 1933 when coach "Checker" Hughes exhorted his players to "play like demons" and thereafter the nickname "Demons" stuck. Some time after the 1860s (not sure exactly when, but I think in the 1870s) the jumper became all blue with a central red vertical stripe and red socks. Similarly other "white" teams started developing coloured jumpers. So, the "white" in the "Invincible Whites" nickname was not unique to the MFC but rather it was the "Invincibles" tag that was unique to the MFC, comparing it to the other "white" teams. Make what you want of this . . . . . .

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Well maybe both you and WYL could ease back the strings a little on the shorts/surrender hyperbole Lets just say that white, psychologically is not a "strong" or "aggressive" colour. Is that more acceptable?

Lots of things have "a nice symmetry" to them Bob, like doughnuts But they don't say "the team of the red and the blue" to me

Well, like I said previously, how about blue for home and red for away shorts? Even better. But your shorts obsession is drawing a long bow . . . . but keep plugging away

Well, you did ask See above in bold. That is a tad "gilding the lily" or "rosy". Yes he has improved in these areas, but has room for more But, lets not quibble over superlatives, bottom lne is Jonesy doesn't get enough credit from some here

Your assessment might be a tad "rosy" in spots, but I agree with the gist of your argument Jonesy does a lot of hard work, sets a great example, plays with real passion, and, as you point out is still young and improving He might never become a Buckley or Hird but I see him as a key player in a future flag People need to get off his back and look at his positives

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I fully agree there are more important issues currently for the club I don't believe the club is too keen on the white clash strip, evidence their previous attempt at the "red" strip. I would also agree that at the moment the club is not in a good position re the AFL to make an issue of it and is focussing on many other issues. I would not be in favour of pressuring the club at this time in this matter (unless they requested input). I do believe in the future that the time may come when this can be better discussed at official levels Having said that, I see nothing wrong with supporters expressing their wishes and "keeping the fires burning" In the short term I agree with you (I think it was you?) that we should press for a better "design" for next years predominately white clash strip (as per AFL "directions"). There is already another thread here on just that issue. This however does not mean that I accept the current situation as a fait-accompli. Is that a bit clearer?

I've never mentioned anything about white psychology or surrender. I don't necessarily agree (or disagree) with it but it was an interesting discussion nevertheless But, it was you who brought up shorts in a discussion about predominately white jumpers. I thought it was a red herring or weak rationalisation (as with the Invincible Whites rationalisation) so I offered you some more red herrings

Don't stop at the shorts, ID What about the white numbers on the players backs Then there is the white boots Then there is the white in the MCC colours (red, blue, white) Sheesh! Lets make the shorts navy for home and red for away . . . problem solved And don't tell me about tradition/AFL rules . . home shorts used to be black Your argument that white shorts justifies white jumpers just doesn't cut it . . give up on it

Watching Melbourne and the ferals, I couldn't help but notice how many times our players handballed directly (not intercepts) and kicked directly to their opponents. According to some this must mean their is a strip clash Then I watched St.Kilda (home strip) and Port(white away strip) and there seemed to be a real clash of . . . wait for it . . . White! So now I'm confused, non-clash teams clashing, and clash strip team clashing. Enough to do one's head in, eh? . . . ducking for cover

settle down bbo, its not a logo, its an emblem wait till later to see what logo they come up with