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People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD become our Kennedy not that he is.

Jesse Hogan Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d) Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44 Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62 2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19 25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12 2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12 2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6 15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6 2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16 162 214 24 47 32 14 Josh Kennedy Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d) Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119 Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54 2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11 15 1 17 7 8 25 30 5 8 3 1 2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9 40 55 7 6 15 1 2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7 19 2 12 9 5 34 55 9 6 7 4 2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13 76 128 23 32 23 1 9 2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15 2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38 70 69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15 2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14 13 13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1 2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17 2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33 62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10 2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55 52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18 2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15 2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27 27 32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28 10 2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18 24 1 20 1 37 20 11 74 73 20 38 11 4 Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games. Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well. I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post. I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

Why are we talking about May, he is apparently off to the Pies.

He wouldn't have been the difference clearly, but he played better yesterday than our 2 key forwards and for that matter our 2 key backs and he wasn't even on the ground.

Because you posted this " Who was the guy who started this thread?" I did. I answered by quoting a line from the Dobie Gillis show, used by his friend Maynard G. Krebbs, whenever he was called by anyone. Just to educate you further, you can win a prize if you guess without looking it up, what the G in his name stood for.

And finally people catch up with me. Now regarding Casey in the GF, we are f....d.

If you look at older players, a lot of them go into a self preservation mode. Lewis IMO is in that mode. He looks around when he is under the ball and his disposal can be poor at times, as we saw yesterday.This is most likely because he is aware of the oncoming contact. I am not saying he is scared, but rather that he is not now the fearless footballer that he was a few years ago. Clarko let him go for a reason. Yes he can play, but clearly not as well consistently, as he once could. He is also doing undisciplined acts, which have cost us, which he probably wouldn't have done as much under Clarko. There is a useby date for every sportsman. We need to work out with Lewis if it is now, or at the end of next season.

I think the problem here is that Jordan was brought in because of his experience and finals nouse and today, he, himself, started the rot. He turned it over with a shocking handball for a goal, he then did it again, he then belted Ryan in the guts for another one and then gave away a 50 for stupidity and another goal. He seemed to go half hearted at the contest a few times as well. Most on here are furious with that. As someone said he was given 1/10 by a Journo for today's effort. His bad play and resultant goals started the rot and yes we went downhill from there. The team was putrid, but IMO and many others on here, he started it. Confidence can be lost in momentum and he killed it. I am not knocking Jordan, only his game today. TBH, I think he would agree.

Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy.

Well looks like I got it right, we were f....d, over.

Just lulling then into a false sense of security.

I haven’t as I taped it. WJ might have or someone else.

Has laid 3 tackles in the first 3 minutes. Does look quick.

Well the Tiger supporters should be blaming their mids.

Now I know we are f....d. You better believe it.

You rang?

And what would you have done besides moving Watts on, that would have got us in the finals 5 years ago, when we were putrid?

It's a horses for courses decision. The good thing for Bayley is that if we win and make the GF the horses are different to this week. Tigers have one ruck and one key forward, with Pies having another ruckman/forward. The match ups then suit Bayley, who could replace Joel, unless Joel has a blinder and another fringe player has a bad one.

Luckily the FD doesn't worry about the opinion of Dees fans.

We are f....d.

Someone said that Pies players have been told he will be joining the club next year.

What is going on at North? Apparently have Polec, Hall and Newman wanting to join them and an offer over $8m for 7 years for Gaff on the table. They will need to shed more than Preuss to fit all these players in.

Can only speculate, as I like most DL’s don’t know what they are doing. Do you have inside info that we are actually not chasing anyone other than Preuss? Always enjoy the trading/drafting period, though for the first time in 12 years I am enjoying the finals far more.

If you are correct and he leaves Eagles but for North, then it would lead me to believe that it is only about money and that we elected not to, or weren’t able to match North’s offer. If that is the case, that would lead me to believe that we have identified another player we want.

Another outside mid in Hall going to the Roos. That could be three in one hit.