Its Time for Another

Oh man this is priceless. Pre season training thread arguments involving Saty and he's not even on here.

Oh come on Sue. Not the dreaded 4-6. I didn't realise it was career over.

But at that level at best there would be a few semi professional players and a lot of amateur players right. So time for pre season training would be a lot less than full time AFL and a lot less strength and conditioning expertise. That's why I'm wondering what they know about his fitness that tells them he will be able to play early. I'm not making a statement that he isn't fit as I have no idea but just interested in the statement that they are planning on him playing early. I assume if necessary.

Wonder how much they know about his fitness at this point to think he'd be ready to go early, as at best he would have some pre season training with Nth Heidelberg. Have a look at this highlights reel. Has played forward. KIcked 6 goals in a game and towelled up Alir Alir last year playing forward.

I haven't lost faith in Weid yet. However, I will say that in 2019 Petty was a more effective forward than him even though Weid was carrying injuries. Petty has had a couple of preseasons since then. He might end up being better than Weid for the time being. It looked like he and Tommo were going to be fighting over the one place in the backline so maybe that problem has been solved for the time being.

Hey binman I've been meaning to post a big thank you to you for starting this thread. Gets my vote as the most interesting, positive and informative thread I've read on DL. At various stages have planned to contribute but there's been so much to read to catch up on I've never had a chance. Still haven't had the time to do that but I will. It's well worth it. There's some great contributors on here.

Agree with the above DrD. Can anyone on DL put their hand up and say they know from the inside what happens with the leadership. I'm sure it's very different to what we see on the outside. Couple of quick observations. Paul Roos was quoted on a Fox Footy promo saying "Leadership is players telling other players what to do." Typically succinct from Roos. I saw this first hand at a Swans intra club a few years ago when I listened to the senior players telling the junior players where to stand to within a few centimetres. They were telling them when to leave their man, when to stay etc.That's the Swans culture. Benny Mathews is now back at the Swans this year coaching. One of the things he said he has really noticed straight away is how much input the senior players have. TBH I only see a couple of MFC players doing this. May is at the top of that list. Lever is born to it. I think we've been waiting for a critical number of players to reach the level of experience to do it. We should be there now but I don't see a lot of it going on yet. Hopefully we will this year. As for leadership style. Daisy Pearce was asked a few years ago whether as the Captain of the Womens team she discussed leadership with Jonesy. She made a very frank comment that she said to him that she had observed that he was a very angry leader. She said he was taken aback by that comment and went away and reflected on it. Viney was miked during a game when he was Captain. I was very surprised at how basic his onfield comments were. But I know I'd follow him over the trenches and he's the only player I've seen in the past decade or so who has literally lifted and carried the team forward in a couple of games. Gawny also does some incredibly inspiring intercept work particularly in defence where he continually puts his body on the line. So to go back to the beginning lets face it we don't know what goes on with the leadership. Hopefully we have players developing all over the ground who will lead by telling other players the right thing to do at critical moments. I love Gawny's on and off field performance as the figure head for the club. I love Viney's onfield leadership by example. All I know is they were both voted in. Everyone involved in football at MFC has a very significant year coming up. Go Dees!

There will be at least 5 to 10 more seats than normal as WA Premier won't let the usual supporters leave the state to travel to see them.

Not sure this is our biggest concern. Have a feeling Hore would have struggled to play this year. HB's Salem, Tomlinson/Lever Rivers. FB Lockhart May Tomlinson/Lever. Plus Petty/Smith backup. Understand what you're saying about both their injury histories. But not too worried at this point. With May and Tomlinson as key backs and both interceptors and Lever as the main 3rd back interceptor can't see room for another unless one of those 3 get injured and then both the backups are injured.

Not an argument. Genuinely asking. Interested to know why you think this. What did you see him doing wrong last season and what do you think he has to do to improve. I don't know how he operates within the playing group but his B & F speech in 2019 was the best speech by an MFC player I've ever heard. Covered the club's history, connections to past players, his journey as a player, current culture and going forward. His commitment to his own improvement and training and playing standards can't be faulted from what I've seen. Seems to have a way more engaging personality one on one than many of the past Captains of the club and an excellent spokesman for the club and media performer.

The biggest knock on Kossie when recruited was his lack of fitness and tendency to fade in and out of games. All I can do is comment on what I actually saw during the season. Some of his end to end running last season creating chains of possessions or creating forward options having run from the backline were phenomenal. Personally I’m not worried about his fitness levels. Lord Nev how do you know he’s in the rehab group because of lack of fitness? Are you guessing or did the coaches tell you that. Fading in and out of games could be a worry or could be a reflection on a completely disfunctional forward line with minimal opportunities for crumbing small forwards. Cyril averaged something like 12 possessions a game. It’s not everything.

If you recall PJ spent over $420,000 on a feasibility study for Yarra Park which proved to have never been a possibility. That was reported in 2018. Apparently it's taken two years of hard lobbying to get the State Govt and all stakeholders on board just to do a feasibility study. That's great news in that they haven't rejected us outright but the feasibility study could end up saying there is no where in the precinct that is suitable. Who knows what they look in to. I assume it will have to have some degree of community facilities to get Govt funding. So it's probably not just the site but also a lot of other considerations. Also have no idea what next steps would be if the report is positive. Does the Club then have to set about getting funding from various Govt's and stakeholders etc. I'd say there's a long way to go.

Lets face it there's only three pieces of information you get in the pre season. 1. Who's not training or in rehab. The most useful preseason info. 2. Injuries during training. I'd almost prefer not to hear about this one. 3. Observations from supporters about how the team is training the place down and especially some players who then don't go on to play games. We never get the info we'd really like which is what went wrong last season and what's being worked on this pre season to fix it.

It's all about the run up silly not the post kick.

A lot of people getting carried away here on the basis of this boys' running ability and height. Don't forget we already have one of these on the list who came in very experienced, holds the 2km time trial record at his old team and has a brute 194cm mature physique. So far he's failed on the wing he was brought in to play on. This kids a raw project player. He could be an upgrade on Isaac Smith or he could be a Tomlinson. Time will tell. Of course like everyone I hope it's the former but lets get a bit of reality here.

Malcolm Blight did alright.

Bentleigh Club was never revalued from the time we took it over until now. Not sure why but can see why they'd do it now to soften the blow of the current year result by showing a much stronger asset base. From memory the actual money left over after the sale of Leighoak was $8mill. From memory there were debts or costs etc that brought it back to that from $11mill. I would love to know what the original intention was in 2018 for this sale and what they planned to do with the proceeds. It seems a great shame to have such a rare asset in the history of the MFC being chewed up to cover operating costs and reduce debt.I believe it was an investment made in the Gutnick era. I had hoped the plan was to use it for some type of revenue raising. It appears there's now only $1.6mill left and probably nothing by end of next year. Although some has been used to eliminate debt. Although we show a healthy financial position it isn't a realistic picture as we are the only club in 18 that doesn't have it's own training and admin base. The financial position will only be comparable to other clubs when we have the full debt for the training base. The $8mill from Leighoak clearly will be gone before that project even starts.

It's a real shame AFL didn't take the opportunity to split these so we get one a year instead of both every two years which is so much harder to manage from a cashflow point of view. It's a mixed blessing getting both next year which is looking very much like crowds will still have to be limited so while we get them next year they will be worth a lot less. But of course better than losing them all together which was also quite possible given the way the AFL treats us.

Isn't there an aquatic centre out there in the wider complex. I guess recovery and swimming training can go on there. It's not all the other things but it's some.

Wonder if we now negotiate directly with him for the pick swaps tomorrow night. :)

Also worth noting that in 2020 McKay was surrounded with McGovern & Casboult taking 2 key defenders and in previous years add in Charlie Curnow whereas Weid was often the no. 1 forward having to deal with the no. 1 & no 2 defenders in most games. Yet he still stacked up very well v McKay & the others. The forward line has to perform better in 2021. Surely! Go Weid.

I won’t bite other than to say Fascinating response on many levels. Especially for an Australian footy forum. As far as DL is concerned I stand corrected.

Surely Colliewobbles are going to have a massive challenge attracting elite players after the way they treated Treloar. I’ve never seen anything like it. Entice an elite player away from their team with a massive salary offer. As soon as he arrives pressure him to defer his salary, then keep doing that for a number of years. Then when it’s due effectively sack him. Then start spreading malicious untrue rumours that the senior players don’t want you at the club. Wow. Good luck getting players there after that performance. mind you 72 million Americans just voted to re-elect Trump so anything’s possible.

Know what I mean. Know what I mean......So what’s it really like........

Don't know if anyone has done this but interesting to look at what we gave up to get 18 & 19. Basically it was next year's 1st rd + Preuss + 53 & next year's 3rd rounder Final deal was Next year's 1st rounder + 25 + 68 + 69 (Think you can ignore the last 2.) These were the deals to get 25 = 31 & 43. 31 was Preuss 43 = 53 & future 3rd rd. Say we come 7th next year. We will have given up pick 12 in next year's draft Preuss 53 & around 50 in next year's draft. I would say 53 in this year's draft is not going to be worth much. So if it's say dropping from next year's 12 to this year's 18 because there's a player we think is exactly what we need and we give up Preuss & 50 for 19 for the same reason or to combine them for a much higher pick, it doesn't look that bad.