Its Time for Another

Hitouts v Cats. Blicavs 14, Jackson 12, Stanley 10. Clearances: Blicavs 1 Jackson 4 Stanley 3 Disposals: Blicavs 9 Jackson 10 Stanley 10 I was looking forward to him v Blicavs who is similar type of tall, athletic player who plays ruck and a key position. I thought physically he held his own against him in the stoppage ruck contests and didn't look physically overwhelmed at all. This is a huge step up for a 19 yr old tall. One of the pre draft worries about him was that he was an athlete first and a very raw, project footballer second. In fact, as these examples show, he's got elite footy IQ. Go Jacko.

That kick of Langdon's was the best i50 kick he's done. I didn't think he had that sort of low direct pass in him. If he can do that consistently it takes him to another level.

Brilliant. Thanks for doing this. Can you believe those two years. Can't imagine there was another recruiting era like it. 19 players who all played a significant amount of games in one of the best eras for the club. That '87 run to the finals is still my favourite. The legendary '87 Prelim then the shocker '88 Grand Final.

Theres a bunch of others to add in around that 1986/87. For instance Sean Wight, Jimmy Stynes. Also traded in Doug Koop, Dean Chiron '87. Garry Lyon, Ricky Jackson, Steven Stretch & Brett Lovett, Simon Eishold ( I know I know) debuted in 1986. Plus junior players that came up from our U19's to our Reserves to our 1sts care of RDB and Slug Jordan. They all debuted around 1986/7. Tony Campbell, , Stawbs O'Dwyer, Glenn Lovett, Rod Grinter (Honourable mention year b4 1985)

I don't think Jason Taylor would agree with you. I'm sure he'd be saying there was no luck involved just elite professional talent spotting and pick negotiating. Rivers was always going to be the litmus test for me for that draft. I was in the get Young at pick 3 at all costs camp because we so needed his elite kicking. But the hope was that once we got Jackson, Rivers could produce a similar output to Young, then Jackson becomes a bonus compared to getting Young at pick 3. As it's turned out Rivers has delivered in spades arguably out performing Young. He went at 100% DE against GWS. In my book it's hard to argue against 100% all some on here no doubt would

Actually we turned it into Langdon.

Thanks for both these explanations. I thought that was what you were getting at. It's probably a matter of semantics but I don't think with the dominance created by Gawn and our midfield beasts that there would ever be a plan to lose a stoppage. I think your example of that first centre bounce is possibly more a demonstration of a better game plan on how to clear the ball from a clearance to the outside instead of having too many players inside and none in an effective place outside which is what has been happening the past couple of years. The Doggies are masters of setting up outside clearances. The irony is that we were losing clearances with more players at the ball than we are with a better structure. From my observation so far this season the players are setting up better away from the ball so they are better at defending the first kick away from the clearance and also better at being in a position to receive the clearance in attack if we win it.

If T Mac keeps playing the way he has he will be valuable by the end of the season and will be expendable with all the other options we have. If he was traded to say the Pies that would release the money we need for a Kelly who would take the wing that Gus is on. Gus could potentially move on to play with his brother. One or both could be the solution to getting Kelly but he'd want to be playing better than last season and he'd have to be prepared to take a salary cut at least back to what Oliver and Trac will be getting.

Good point. I don't know if anyone else feels the same way but I thought in the second half after fighting back from that Saints run on you could palpably see a growing confidence in the collective body language. It felt to me like they were thinking hey this game plan we've worked on over the summer is actually working. We can do this. The play seemed to reflect what you're saying the longer the game went on. I have a feeling that second half is a lot more significant than we realise.

The other thing I should add is that I think one of the keys to all of this strangely enough is Tomlinson. He is becoming a very good key defender which is freeing up Lever to do what he was recruited to do as the intercepting floating back and also releasing May to attack out of deep defence. They can do this because they know Tomlinson can cover their man if they leave. He has strength and agility and speed. Lever isn't the same player when forced to be a lock down key defender as we saw last season. Because of that May was also more restricted from attacking out of defensive 50. So in combination all of the above two posts results in better ball movement i50 before the oppo can flood back and choke the forward 50. Problem is there was a lot of bombing still going on often to an outnumbered T Mac. The amount of balls dropped on or behind his head instead of out in front was a killer. I'm still waiting for them to deliver low direct sharp passes to leads like the Saints did.

I don't see how wanting to score from clearances means you win less clearances. Could you explain your thinking there. Here's some very interesting clearance stat's from the Saints game which support your theory about putting the ball carrier under pressure when we lose clearances. - We won the centre bounce clearances 14 to 11. Not that great a difference. But look at i50's and metres gained from centre bounces. The stats are to say the least a revelation. Saints 11 centre clearances = 3 i50's compared to 11 out of 14 of ours. Even more dramatically metres gained from centre bounces was 821 for us and incredibly only 195 to them. Hard to believe. Clearly there's some fantastic defensive work being done at these stoppages which I for one wasn't aware of watching it. I'd love to know how this stacks up against the rest of the comp. I think in our case there are a lot of factors causing our forward line to be more open. - We have a better structure with some defenders remaining deep and not all getting sucked up the ground. So on transition we have better shape to stop being easily opened up. - The dominance of May, Lever, Tomlinson, Salem has meant our defenders can run straight down the corridor to get back deep and can afford to concede more possession on the wings because by the time they are ready to deliver i50 we are back there. You could see the Saints having to stop in their tracks because they had no where to deliver the ball i50 - The new rules allow half backs to take off and get much more penetration. For instance Salem off half back had the 3rd most i50's in the team with 5 only Trac with 7 & Oliver with 6 had more. This fits in with pre season predictions that the man on the mark rule would mean half back flankers would get record amounts of possession. - I believe the dominance of the backline is creating a predictability to our ball movement so more players are creating options up the field. This is allowing our ball movement to be more deliberate causing us to retain possession and control rather than bombing long all the time. Dare I say this is looking more Clarkson/Hawthorn like. Thank you Yze. - All of the above ultimately contributes to better delivery i50 although lets face it there's still a lot of work to be done there. But the signs are good. It should be cherry ripe particularly for a leading forward like BB.

Hmmm

O Mac makes history. First ever injury sub. Comes in after half time to replace Sylvani.

Excellent Post. This is a perfect example of culture or lack thereof in practice. The rest of your post about players calling him out and what you appreciate about Viney could be more spot on than we realise. I have actually been wondering if all the rumours about Oliver wanting to go to Carlton in the off season were a result of him being called out by Viney for exactly this type of issue. There have been rumours for a while about fractures in the playing group, then Viney lost the Captaincy, then Oliver is rumoured to be investigating leaving. It's all complete conjecture. I have absolutely no idea. But it wouldn't surprise me. Gus also has the same lack of defence. I was told that after a Saints win in 2019 the Saints coaches discussed the fact they targeted getting the ball to Oliver and Brayshaw's opponents because they knew they wouldn't get chased by them.

Would love to hear if he thinks its changed yet. Also love to hear what role he thinks supporters have in setting and driving a Clubs culture.

There's always talk about "culture" but hardly ever any attempt to define it. Some years ago Jude Bolton was generous enough to come down and speak to a Junior team I was coaching. We asked him to explain the famous Swans "Bloods Culture". He said when Roosy arrived he said to Stewy Maxfield the culture needs to be owned by the players. Maxfield created the Bloods Culture which in summary is:- Don't ever let your mates down. Every time you walk through the door of the Club you give 100% to every training session and every game. Anything less is failing the culture. You could see from then on you knew you were going to get 100% effort every time. Can you say you have the confidence to expect that every time MFC plays. The fact messages are coming out of the Club saying midfield egos have to be parked, says a lot about what the Club thinks about the culture. Maxy has been communicating a clear line about the players taking responsibility. Lets hope the players hold each other accountable to bring 100% every time. I'll believe it when I see Clary and Gus finally becoming defensive. I'll believe it when I see Langdon looking up and delivering passes to leading forwards instead of just bombing away like he did again v Dogs. I'll believe it when I see players gut running off the ball on defensive transition. Are we supporters the problem? Do we not demand enough accountability from the footy dept and players. Are we different in that compared to the Cats, Hawks, Swans, TIgers? I don't know but I wonder. Go Dees.

Interesting we've done Oscar out and Majak in. I guess Majak has more versatility with the specific injuries he may need to fill in for. Glad to see O Mac get another chance. Hopefully it's a win/win especially if he plays against us.

OK last roll of the dice. To coin a phrase What's with the negative vibes Moriarty. The area I suggested for the building is already an open air car park. So no loss of public amenity if it's retained under the building. As you point out the M & OP decide about use and accessibility of the land. It's up to them if they switch the fields between soccer, rugby and AFL. I'm not sure how much of a say the different sports would get especially if they still have their fields there. If they all fit in better then as they are already sports fields there is nothing for the community to complain about. They might have to remove and replant about 4 trees. Doubt that would stop it. Anyway we'll know in due course.

Talk about taking comments out of context and twisting meaning. I did mention Docklands size if not MCG size. If the rugby and soccer grounds are switched to Goschs an MCG sized oval could fit in that area. The most likely package of land I see for a building is over the car park between AAMI and the Goschs fields. The car park could be retained and a building put over it. Not sure if that's out of the question. I talked about Bartlett and Pert's hands being tied in the context of not making an announcement till the Govt etc do. Wouldn't read too much into that. None of these issues you have incorrectly raised answer the question of why you think supporters will be underwhelmed if Goschs ends up being the site.

Why would we be underwhelmed if they manage to get all the authorities to agree to giving us the land to build our facilities around Goschs and expand it to MCG or Docklands size. That would be a massive win. If this does end up being the result I would say Pert and Bartlett's hands are tied behind their backs in being able to make any announcement as it is Govt land and multiple authorities will be contributing to it. I'd say the lesson has well and truly been learnt from the premature announcement by the Club of Yarra Park.

Respectively argued Lord Nev. Appreciate that. I may be editorializing but he certainly announced it and all hell let loose. However you want to categorise it after that is up to you. As I said earlier. My definition of sudden is dropping $1.5mill in revenue and not having an alternative in place before you do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I agree with the sentiment of getting out of pokeys but not how it was executed. I haven't written Goody off at this point but I would have taken Dew or especially Ratten in a heart beat but Swans wouldn't release a contracted assistant to be an assistant somewhere else. It had to be as a coach. There may have been other reasons but that was a deal breaker anyway. For sure Ratten was never going to be appointed as an apprentice to Roos and I was really hoping we could get him so my overview is that would have been a much better alternative than the succession plan. But as we have it I have hope it will still work but it hasn't been a great performance so far. Call it what you like but when people go to the press it is generally to force an outcome when they aren't achieving it internally. He made it clear to the press he was unhappy at being left out of the process to appoint his successor. It was also well known he wanted that person to be Mahoney and he would mentor him. I don't agree I'm reframing things from Jackson's time. Just being realistic from what I've seen and read

What is it you say Bartlett has done wrong. Are you suggesting the footy team performance is his fault. I think to the extent the Admin have got involved in FD reviews a lot has been done mostly to the group that was there when PJ left. I think it's looking pretty good now. Personally I choose to believe that the devastating injuries in 2019 and the interruptions last year to a group that mostly hadn't played for over a year had a lot to do with it. It would be looking entirely different if the team had continued the trajectory we all thought it would after 2018. Are you suggesting it's his fault the facilities are taking so long like many seem to be. I don't buy that. For all the reasons discussed above. Genuinely interested to know what sticking his nose in it Bartlett has done.

Yep. He announced it and killed any chance it had. Not that it apparently did. It would have been wonderful if it had. Not sure what your point is. Sudden. They immediately exited Leighoak at the end of his last year. Use numbers however you like. 10% lost revenue equated to a $1.5mill revenue hole for a Club that was barely treading above water. I'd call that sudden. You call stopping the pokeys cold without having the alternative revenue avenues already set up a plan. Thats not a plan mate. A plan is putting the alternative revenue streams in place before you lose the revenue. Having several unrealised ideas is not what I call planning. I think you'll find Jackson, rightly took the sole credit for recruiting Roos and agreeing to the compromise of the succession plan. A great idea if it worked a terrible one if it didn't. I'm still not one to right Goody off till we see what happens this year but at this point you wouldn't call it a raging success. There might be reasons outside Goodys control so fingers crossed. The evidence about Jackson's wishes around his Mahoney succession were well documented at the time. He went public making it clear he was very unhappy at being excluded from the CEO appointment process and he was very unhappy about Mahoney not getting the gig. I'm not going to spend time looking it up but it's out there. Perhaps start with Wilson. I mostly agree with your last comment about what he achieved while he was here, however, it's the way he did some of those things and their impact going forward that is his legacy. By the way I want to make it clear I'm not a PJ hater. I'm extremely grateful he took the gig when he did and believe he may well have literally saved the place. But casting aspersions about the people here now on the basis of what he left for them to deal with is a bit rich.

He's certainly got that. Like spending $475,000 on a feasability study for a concept that was never going to be approved. Then publicly announcing it like it was a done deal without even consulting the Govt or MCC who manage Yarra Park. Thus ensuring politically it would never happen. Or making a sudden, totally unthought through and unplanned for exit out of pokies without having any plan on how to cover the instant $1.5mill loss to revenue. Lovely gift to the next administration. Or setting up a flawed succession plan for the coaching. Or trying to force the Club to take Mahoney as his successor so he could continue a gig as his mentor, even though he had absolutely no commercial experience and at this point not a great record as Footy Head, Despite that legacy he was what the Club needed at the time and I take my hat off to him while he was here but it's not a great legacy to waxing so lyrically about.

Pretty certain soft cap is the football department. Originally brought in to even up the competition because big clubs were spending way more than small clubs with extra development, coaches, IT and stats support etc