Hellfire Dub

I know the population is about half that of Tassie, but to balance out the competition at 20 teams it would be great to have an NT or Top Half team. They'd need big funding to keep them viable, but it could have exclusive academy access and a larger number of picks each year. It would be great to encourage more indigenous talent into the league and it might be easier for some young players to be part of the league if they can be closer to their communities. I'm sure the AFL will support this proposal and their only precondition on the team entering the league will be a modest $2bn 25,000 seater fully underground stadium. The stipulation is that it must be carved out of the ground in the same construction manner as coober pedy. If the underground stadium becomes unachievable they can make a compromise and have an above ground level but fully sheltered stadium hollowed out from the inside of Uluru. Even if more than 70% of the local population support the team but not the outlandish stadium proposal that doesn't mean there's any reason to listen to the will of the people who are actually paying for it.

R&BB I like the idea of a Tassie team as a romantic symbol of pride for the island and as an economic stimulus. It would be far better than the tokenistic partnerships they have with Hawks and North that seem slightly exploitative. Tassie is routinely an afterthought for the nation but it has great potential and would benefit from investment. There's so much space and resources there and it will become more valuable as a location with climate change impacting further North. The island needs positive examples for their young people and ways to encourage them to stay there. Hopefully a team will grow the game and give employment avenues for their youth. There will also be support from the diaspora of Tasmanians living in other states who might return to visit more regularly and spend money there too. I think it's better to have more national teams and opportunities for young players rather than losing them to league, soccer or basketball. The problem is not the number of teams, but it's the AFL allowing too great an influence to powerful wealthy clubs like Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane etc with favourable fixtures, stadia and structural advantages; and ability to poach contracted talent and pay off the books. If this continues the league will be really uncompetitive and boring. I'm happy for Tasmania to come in and get advantages but with the AFL I'm charge I'm worried that it's the lower performing 5 or 6 teams that will suffer playing there regularly in windy stadiums; losing funding, talent and picks to support them while the big clubs continue to roll on hoovering up cash, sponsorship, state funding and greedy contracted players. So I support the team, but I worry about it's impact on lower clubs mostly and I believe the demand for a roof is causing the stadium to be prohibitively expensive. I also think playing at Marvel is horrible experience during daytime with the roof shut. As some other people mentioned here it could be an AFL ploy to set the bar for entry unattanably high so they won't be responsible for it not proceeding.

I know his Dad is at Kangaroo's and he used that to leverage a great deal for himself so it has me thinking about Viney. I've loved Viney's past work and I know they're different players, but which of those two is: A: currently the better player? B: a better fit for what our club needs? Bearing in mind I try not to subject myself to too many Norf games.

I'd welcome Tilthorpe for Petracca. Someone tell me I'm dreaming! 🐦‍⬛😶‍🌫️

It sounds very much like the AFL brought the Tassie process forward to stymie us and ensure they get their intended coach in Buckley. They made damn sure he'll coach the Devils and not the Demons. All the nonsense in the media and from his presenter mates about a rushed process where Melbourne couldn't wait, begs the question why is it so urgent for Tasmania to lock in a coach this week? They're nowhere near starting a team. Was it prior public knowledge that Tasmania intended to interview its anointed Candidate this week or did that materialise when he showed interest in a real team that's actually his childhood favourite and the longest club in existence? Well played by Bucks. It must be very sweet to soon be getting paid for a few more years of media whilst he's also drawing a salary for coaching a future team. Or else the Devils team will start in the next couple of years after all and the outrageous stadium demand will soon be quietly dropped. After hearing him speak I'm not disappointed with King as I can believe he was the best candidate. I am not disappointed with Bucks either because he's making hay whilst the AFL think the Sun shines out of his @rse. He'll be a good coach for Tassie and I want that club to do well. However I am disappointed with the AFL and its proxies in the media.

Yeah I complained to them about the repeated dropouts and freezing during the Crows Hawks game. We're paying enough that they should be able to offer us which camera view we want. I'd love a high level view down the ground from behind goal

Ghosty would make a great spiritual leader

I agree, He looks fit as a fiddle and he's causing damage and kicking some nice goals for them

Caro-Lying hates the Demons and uses every opportunity to get the boot in. Sure our club is not exemplary, but she really hates us. I listen to her Age Real Footy podcast and lots of her other content is good because she gets inside information from clubs. However in the past two years I've heard her bring up the old tanking scandal when there's been discussion about Petracca's injury etc. It's a big hobby horse of hers and this Bucks interference is shoddy behaviour that needs to be called out as an unacceptable personal agenda. In fairness there are few sacred cows on Demonland and we have a go at plenty of AFL related personalities and lots of it is justified. It's not sexist to criticise poor performance in the media and most of it limited to those who deserve it: For example Kellie really only annoys me when she does her full-on Bogan-male growls trying to whip up excitement. She doesn't need to try so hard to sound like Browny to be a good commentator. By contrast Daisy is a well-spoken and insightful commentator who I'd much prefer listening to more of. Jonesy, Abbie, Erin and Kath all do a good job with intelligence, character and good humour compared to the smug naked bias of Pavlich or Eddie. Jack Riewoldt is totally wooden, but he's less offensive than the boorish buffoonery of BT. I can't stand Brereton though, wow if ever there was someone for mansplaining and condescension that's him. And like Caroline he HATES the Demons! He's only a few notches below Sam Newman for my most objectionable talking head. Smarmy would be down there in the pit of unpopularity with biased Umpire 22 Nathan Williamson who also hates the Demons. I think it's more scattergun than sexism.

Their jumpers this year have been really poo-rly designed. I made and shared this before when their logo looked like the poo emoji

Then I can go back to visit family in the Fair City as happy as Larry

Caro-Lying has heard plenty of justified criticism of Bevo from Kornado about how his great list have underperformed for many seasons. I'm sure she's said the same herself on the real footy podcast. Despite this she frequently says Bevo should be our coach instead of Bucks or almost anyone else. I'm starting to suspect she might not have our best interests as a club in her heart! Does anyone else think her agenda might be to burden us with a mediocre coach who will have us languishing mid-table!?

A offensive defender with the motto: "let nothing true"

I agree, I really enjoyed watching us against the Dogs and I think we're capable of way better than our game against the Hawks. Our level is much better than that

It's not a vibe test and the proximity to the line and expected score is because of late goals when the Hawks backed off. We got 4 in the last quarter to match our 4 from the first three quarters. 23 minutes into the fourth quarter they were 13 goals to 5. Roughly 8 goals ahead. That's what I'm referring to. If they'd kept their momentum they could have made the century or so and won by 10 goals. We were nowhere near and it could have been a hammering. It's admirable that it wasn't but at that point late in the fourth Hawks had 27 scoring shots to our 11. It ended up being 27 scores to 16. I know what game I was watching and it was one of the most boring ones I've endured. We rarely looked like scoring for the first three quarters.

Discounting total misses or shots that fell short we both had almost exactly 50% goals to behinds. In an ideal world where both teams had scored all theirs it would be 162 to 96 or a 10 goal loss. These figures include nine fourth quarter scores after the contest was done which amounted to junk time goals and a semblance of respectability. So at three quarter time they were already six goals ahead and they let us get four back to save our embarrassment. The stats obsession is mad, but if you're going to make that argument at least be fair and consider it up until 3/4 time when the game was beyond doubt for Hawthorn. The stats that count are the scoreboard and the final tally so I've posted that here. Most fans can honestly and reluctantly admit that was an awful spectacle. We were nowhere near them and after five minutes we were never going to win that game.

I agree on the skills and structures, but we need to be honest and say the main reason that wasn't a 10 plus goal blowout was because the Hawks missed so many gettable shots.

I went right up the top of the city end for the second half of the Hawks game and had a great view down the ground. Their patterns were slicing at angles and bypassing players guarding ground, but their passing had a hypnotic quality like an 80s arcade computer game. When the hawks kicked to their team mates it reminded me of when the pinball flippers or the paddle in bricks became magnetic and the ball just stuck. It seemed like we couldn't mark anything unless it was chipped around uncontested in our defensive 50.

My view of Petracca has changed and I know some of you will hate this, but I don't see Petracca as a "consummate professional". I make allowance for his injury and recovery, but my altered opinion is based on all the following: the wantaway goings-on, the disparaging of the club that discouraged trades in, the negative body language, the selfishness and the horrible field and goal kicking that never improves. Seriously he's not a good forward, I think he adds even less when he's playing there. He may take a few marks but I bet nobody is confident when he's lining up for a set shot. He's only getting a run up front because his output is down and we're short of players who can actually play forward. If you demand so much money that you cost the team in potential talent then you have to prove you're worth it. Max provides great service in the ruck for Christian to hack if forward to a static contest against multiple tall defenders. Then it comes skating back past him through the corridor. Most of these aspects were evident before Arseknee Moore nailed him with what's becoming trademark sniping. Back then the rest of the team and in particular our stingy defence could contain and conceal it. He really went down in my opinion after all his whinging and undermining the club. Roffey, Pert or Goody didn't knee him in the spleen. Why blame them for badly handling the attack/carelessness by a Collingwood scumbag? At this stage I'd be happy for him to show some maturity and honour either by proving his worth or by lowering his demands and going elsewhere on reasonable terms.

I sat behind the goals on level 1 until half time and level 4 till 3/4 time. I think that's the lowest Demon contingent I've ever seen at the G and can you blame fans for not showing up when the professionals didn't want to be there. I was surrounded by 5h1t3 hawks everywhere and the sound of their bandwagon rolling along. I normally stay till the bitter ends but today was the first day I left at 3/4 time when we had just 4 goals on the board. Abysmal performance and negligible pride.

Christian Petracca?

If he keeps progressing then Harvey Langford will be a candidate

Although I was annoyed about the result with our midfield playing poorly and Windsor getting injured is a pain, there were definitely positives yesterday. I thought we looked different and better without Goodwin. (Please don't use the Eagles game as a comparison because I was there and they looked like a young VFL level side.) Players yesterday were actually leading and getting rewarded, taking marks or grabbing the crumbs. Goal kicking was sharper. The second half was genuinely exciting, and we actually looked competitive. Changes were being made on the fly. Young lads like Culley and Adams showed they might be decent players. The standout difference was how enjoyable that game was as a spectacle. The fans were getting into it and we came close to winning that game. There were smiles on the players’ faces and they restored a bit of pride in the jumper. It all felt like a step in the right direction and a relief from the constrained, overwrought defence-first mindset of Goodwin. I'm excited again about the prospect of us playing positive football under what I hope will be a competent new coach that rejuvenates the team.