JTR

1 hour ago, DemonLad5 said:

Where's all this talk about McRae or  another gun mid coming and why haven't we heard anything about it outside Demonland??

http://demonland.com/forums/topic/42698-trade-rumours/?do=findComment&comment=1479077

1 hour ago, Older demon said:

1 Jack doesn't want to go and we cannot make him go as he has a contract and doesn't have to do the clubs bidding.

2. Mahoney was very clear this morning that the club believes pick 10 and next years 2nd round pick is fair for Lever. So now we now MFC's official starting bid as opposed the Crows desire for 2 first round picks (they haven't specified which year these picks are in)

Not to nit pick, but that's not exactly what he said.

What he said is that our offer to Adelaide involves a 1st & 2nd round pick.

When asked, he added that one of those could be a future pick.

So I took that meaning this year 1st + next year 2nd or next years 1st + this years 2nd or both 1st and 2nd for this year.

The "involves" wording also suggests something extra is in the deal like a player or swap of picks.

As a side note, something else Mahoney said (which we probably already know but I haven't heard it from myself from the club) is that Lever would help form part of a strong backline with Jetta, Hibberd, Hunt, Frost & OMac.

Didn't mention TMac, which I think signals quite clearly their intentions for him next season. 

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fascinating that he said the club has had no feedback from Adelaide on that offer. Not only did they reportedly walk out of the initial meeting, weeks later they have not responded.  Very disrespectful and unprofessional.

Mahoney said the trade offer stacks up well compared to other players.  He specifically mentioned Tom Mitchell, Charlie Dixon, Jaegar O'meara and Jake Carlisle.

Adelaide are trying to paint a picture that he is coming back for the money but other clubs have offered more.  Very disrespectful to Jake. 

Last year GCS waited to 9 minutes to trade cut off time to agree to O'meara trade which forced Hawks to make some crazy pick trades which left StK with their 1st 2018 pick etc.  Lets just hope it doesn't come to that for us. 

I would think if it drags out with no resolution the AFL will arbitrate.

As an aside SEN reported that when Jake rang his teammates with his decision some senior players reacted poorly and Tex told him in no uncertain terms what he thought.

They are clearly smarting from their GF loss and are playing a hardball game in the media over Jake. 

Also said that Jakes exit interview with the club was far from pleasant.

Mahoney on SEN now.  Said our offer to Adelaide involves our 1st & 2nd round picks

Edit - and one of those would potentially be a future pick.  Adelaide want 2 x 1st rounders

Levers manager was on SEN this morning.

On the question of "what if another club can offer Adelaide something better than what Melbourne can put up for trade" he said "Jake will only be dealing with Melbourne. He wont sign off on anything from any other club"

Welcome to the MFC Jake Lever!

2 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

 

We are absolutely paying overs.  But sometimes you have to to get what you want.

Especially if they are AA players...

22 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Agreed.  Plus (career averages):

- Doesn't defend nor put pressure on the ball carrier:

• 1% things (.86 per game). 
• tackles  (1.8 per game).
• contested possessions ( 6 of 25 per game).

- Doesn't help the team score:

• i50 (3.6 per game).
• goals (.35 per game). 
• goal assists (.52 per game)
• clearances (2 per game)

- Doesn't show signs of being able to defend up forward or in the mid.

- Hasn't impacted in finals. 

In summary, he is not an impact player either offensively nor defensively. 

Admittedly, he had a good year when he made AA in 2015 but hasn't shown a lot since. 

I know stats aren't everything but over a long period they do tell a story.  Based on his stats and DL's penchant for aggressive, go in hard players, he would become the new DL whipping boy!

Being able to run and once a Dees supporter isn't enough to gain my vote.

I posted it a while back, but a lot of Eagles fans dont rate him, saying he is least damaging 30 posession player they have ever seen. Above stats confirms

Another throw

18 minutes ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Adelaide and Sydney grinding themselves down is far better than having Adelaide blow Geelong away, for a Richmond fan imo.

No....  he is not that detailed in his thought process.

Sydney you could argue were red hot favourites coming into finals.

They are currently getting flogged by Geelong

Richmond flogged Geelong last week

Therefore....  

I would.  Watts is 27 now, and I think we have seen and got all we are going to get out of him. He may well benefit with a change too.

God if my Richmond neighbour wasn't unbearable enough this past week, he'll be even worse now if Geelong get up

Agreed.

What about Dangerfield though?  Or Hurley?  Or Judd? Or any of the other big name players who have been thrown up over the years that we all get ourselves into a lather over?

Dont get me wrong, I see it all as a bit of fun, and quote enjoy reading all the threads, but I wouldn't deem the club to have failed if these fantasy trades dont eventuate, because many are just that. Fantasy.

Cue the "we should have held on to Spencer to see if we could have got something at the trade table first" comments...

3 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

We don't have a proven history of being able to get the 'big trades' done.  Getting what would be two massive trades done in one trade period would be unprecedented in modern MFC history.  

One of these is possible and, in Lever's case, looks almost likely.

That's cause many of the 'big trade' discussions are here on Demonland, and Demonland alone, based on "inside words" from sometimes less than credible sources.

Like the Gaff one for instance. That was mentioned where? Once on twitter?  And now we have run with it to the point where some have probably accepted it as something that is actually happening, and would consider it a failure if it didn't eventuate, even though it may never have been on the clubs radar.

Nope, he had his chance to come here in one of the more recent trade periods, but sooked it up because we took Jurrah in the 2009 PSD instead of him.

[censored] him

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Imagine if it was an MFC player making the tackle and it was?

*riot*

45 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

They are putrid, how we are not playing this game is beyond me.

Port getting plenty of ump non calls, they should be 8 goals up.

We wouldn't have been in this game. If we'd beaten the filth like we should have we would have been up in Sydney today and this game would be Port v Bombers

"Casey Scorpions Forever" being played as they come out?  

We are the Demons now, song monkeys!

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Didnt realise he made the AA team in 2015, named on the wing. Won their B and F too. Came 4th in the Brownlow in 2016. 

  Perhaps hes better than I give him credit for.

Shane Woewodin....  just sayin! 

1 hour ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

They're not picky mate, they're nuffies.

It's like the conversation last year about Hibberd, and Melksham the year before.  They have an incredible ability to overrate a player wearing red and blue and pick holes in regular/established/gun players from BETTER teams.

If people can't see the value in a hard-running, skilful wingman and how perfect a Gaff / Isaac Smith / Brad Hill / Stephen Hill type would compliment our contested bulls, we should be putting a quota on how much they can post on Demonland.

Equally I think people tend to overrate players from other teams, just because they are someone from another team with good stats or good highlights.

Ask the average Joe from Collingwood what they think of one trick pony Howe now. They were creaming themselves when they first got him, cause all they saw of him was this guy taking massive speccies on the news each week

We - the fans who watch him week in, week out - knew better, and knew that was basically all he did.

My earlier anti Gaff comments were based on what I have read many Eagles fans saying about him. Many don't rate him and I'd be more inclined to listen to what they have to say about him as a player, both positive and negative, than people who don't see much of him.

That said, Bombers fans were laughing at us for taking Melksham too, so not all know what they are on about.

Anyway, for some balance, here is a little Gaff positivity for you, from HS two days ago...

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-best-endurance-players-in-the-afl-revealed/news-story/74a8c996525dc5b45cb04258c9ac680c

• SCULLY averages a league-high 16.6km per game and his standing as the game’s unrivalled endurance machine is laid bare by his ownership of the four highest distance totals this year, topped by a 18.3km effort against Collingwood in Round 8.

(Gaff is second at 15.95km)

• WEST Coast winger Andrew Gaff is the most selfless runner, working back harder than any other player and covering the most ground (6.5km) when West Coast don’t have the ball

The running men - 2017 averages

Distance covered in a game

Tom Scully (GWS) 16.62km

Andrew Gaff (WC) 15.95km

Lachie Whitfield (GWS) 15.60km

Steele Sidebottom (Coll) 15.18km

Isaac Smith (Haw) 15.13km

Distance covered at high speed

Tom Scully (GWS) 4.16km

Bradley Hill (Frem) 3.43km

Lachie Whitfield (GWS) 3.10km

Jack Sinclair (StK) 3.08km

Steele Sidebottom (Coll) 2.96km

Distance covered in attack

Tom Scully (GWS) 7.12km

Lachie Whitfield (GWS) 6.51km

Toby Greene (GWS) 6.41km

Steele Sidebottom (Coll) 6.41km

Andrew Gaff (WC) 6.37km

Distance covered in defence

Andrew Gaff (WC) 6.50km

Nick Robertson (Bris) 6.44km

Sam Gibson (NM) 6.35km

Ethan Hughes (Frem) 6.34km

Harris Andrews (Bris) 6.34km

Sprints in a game

Bradley Hill (Frem) 35.3

Tom Scully (GWS) 32.9

           Jeff Garlett (Melb) 26.9

Jeremy Cameron (GWS) 26.6

Steven Motlop (Geel) 26.1

SOURCE: Champion Data

* Minimum 10 games

I'm with you Moon

I've ventured over to the WCE board on BigFooty a few times this season, and many there not the biggest fan of Gaff...

"downhill skiier"

"least damaging 30 possession player I have ever seen"

"doesn't hit the scoreboard enough"

"a bit soft"

When I have actually watched him play (rarely) he seems ok, but these comments are from people who watch him week in, week out so I'd trust their judgement more than mine.

Not sold.

In fairness to the Hawks... they have been pretty good at making ordinary players look decent over the years so probably figured they'd do the same here.

Too much spud though