JTR

8 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Wasn't a matter of being first to break it, but more a point of why didn't we have a crack at it. Look at some of these players and what they're going for. Must be a super draft this year

They were saying on SEN last night that this is effectively a salary cap dump for Port.  Lobbe is on a multi year big $ contract and the deal is apparently subject to Carlton taking on the full salary.  

So if I heard what they said on SEN correctly, what we paid in points for Lever is equivalent to pick 6. What the Crows paid for Gibbs is equivalent to pick 5

L!!!  O!!!  L!!!

I'm trying to think of a Boaty McBoatface equivalent, but got nothing.

9 minutes ago, ben russell said:

To all those upset about receiving pick 31, what were you realistically expecting for him?

It was clear that no club was going to part with a first round pick for him, so are you disappointed we didn't get a pick earlier in the second round?

He picked Port, the earliest pick they had in the entire draft was pick 31. It is what it is.

 

I'll reserve judgement until the end of the trade period. Maybe 31 will be used to get something better.

If we keep 31 I'll be very disappointed that the club didn't suck it up and recognise that Jack offers a [censored] load more than a speculative pick in a reportedly weak draft.

He was top 5 in last years B&F FFS. He and Hogan combined were being touted as the next big forward line duo earlier in this very season. He offers us things structurally that no other player in our squad can. 

Thats worth more than 31, imo....

Pick 31

That figures.

Number is cursed!

3 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Any player who stayed with the club during the darkest times, deserves respect and kudos

Thanks Col

Be well

--- >  Jack Watts thread

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

We were on track for top 4, even with Watts injured....

With no rucks and Hogan out, I'd argue Watts had a big hand in getting us to that position in the first place.

Up to the Bulldogs game he was having a very good season and the coaches appeared to agree, having at 6th in the B&F at that point.

We all know what happened after that...   :/

17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

No, not about Watts. But if people start taking aim at Goodwin, McCartney, Viney, Jones, Jackson etc (which has already happened) and believing unsubstantiated scuttlebutt by people with no accountability for their posts it has the potential to snowball. 

You mean like the post from GNF a while back which suggested Watts trip to Byron got him on the slippery slope to where we are today?  That the club were filthy, that his rehab was hampered... etc etc etc?

Look how much that has evolved. Now its been accepted as fact that Jack never tries, that his injury wasn't that bad, he just didnt care enough to get back as fast as he could, that he is a terrible trainer, that he doesnt spend enough time in the gym putting on muscle, that he is a terrible influence on all the young players... etc

Scuttlebutt central this place, from both sides of the debate.

1 hour ago, Jack Jack Tappy said:

I just want to say that Jack did not come back to pre season under done, in fact he came back in the same shape as 2016 which was good, he had a great year. His 3 k time trial was his best ever, you can check it.  All his other figures were good too.  He came back with blue hair which was a mistake and put him I all the papers which [censored] off Goody.  He went to Byron on a Tuesday night, Wednesday was a day off, got back Wednesday night. Missed no rehab. He did extra sessions every week.  It's a furphy.  Jack is not like Viney, Jones or Macca, he doesn't live breath football 24/7, he is a normal person like 80 percent of the team but he loves MFC and will be sad to go but he will.  I don't know how many of you would have thought we would dream of trading Jack after round 13 this year

Nope, nope, nope. The Watts bashers will absolutely not have this.

11 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Really, so what has he been doing to show his efforts in the past few seasons, as the club starts getting its act together.

He chooses what & when he wants to act, & when he doesn't feel like it. 

He doesn't do all he can to maintain peak fitness, doesn't work hard to build muscle bulk in the Gym.

He just strolls about until he sees his prey, like a mantis.

Where'd he come in the 2016 B&F?  How was he going this year until the injury?

The rest is just absolute rubbish cobbled together from a few select pieces of select info, most of which comes from other theorys on this very forum that are dubious at best.  

I see both sides of the argument, but this thread is getting ridiculous now.

Where is the actual evidence that Jack is a culture killer? Or a terrible trainer? Or went on a trip to Bondi?

The poor training and the Bondi trip 'analysis' both derived from GNF's post a while back - someone who I might add, a good few of you wont have a bar of at around this time of year.

GNF says he went to Byron, one person later repeats that as Bondi and now everyone says Bondi. GNF says his rehab was hampered/delayed/not ideal and that morphs into him being a terrible trainer, thats why he's no good....  yadda yadda yadda

What next?

Happy with the trade for a known quantity.

To those upset with what we handed over, would suggest waiting till the end of the trade period before giving your final assessment.

You only need to go back as far as 2015 to see why.

Remember that trade period when we handed over 25 very early in the trade period for Melksham? Remember how ropable everyone was at the time?

Subsequent schrewd moves after that turned our first round pick into two first round picks which we used to get Oliver &  Weideman

In Mahoney I trust!

Cant see us playing Adelaide here. It'll be much more dramatic if played over there in front of their rabid faithfull. AFL loves fixture drama

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Maybe its just me...but I reckon any team looking to snag jack is ALL about structure and where he advantages then in such.

Is that what you are suggesting ?

EXACTLY my point, but in a few chapters less....  :/

My judgement has been a little clouded given the way Jacks second half of season played out, but I'm now firmly back in the "I desperately want him to stay" camp.

He plays forward, he plays back, he can play on the wing and he can even do a better than average job in the ruck. He is one of the best kicks in the team, one of the best decision makers, one of the few you dont worry about when he has the ball and probably the one you'd bet your house on to kick the goal after the siren for a win.

How many other players do we have like that?

If he goes, who in our team is genuinely capable of stepping up to replace him and cover all those gaps? 

Other players are going to get injured, lose form or get suspended. What if that all happens at the same time again like we saw this season?

Who here genuinely believes we would have been in the positiion we got to this season without him being there? 

We want to be a club with a lot of multi dimensional, multi skilled players and Jack would be one of - if not THE - best we have.

Why get rid of him now when at the very worst he is an exceptional, multi faceted depth player?  

Because he has "currency"? Is what we are probably getting in return really worth more than what he brings to the team?  

Players like Jack dont grow on trees and I struggling to see him leaving as anything other than a big step backwards.

I really, really hope the club knows and understands what it is doing here. I sure dont. 

36 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Who's not telling the correct story? How could Watts have been 6th after 14 rounds when Jetta was 5th on 205, and Watts finished on 172 after 23 rounds?

He supposedly had a great start to the year, yet was 11th after 8 rounds.

Has someone actually got any proof as to where Watts sat after 14 rounds?

According to big screen he was 6th on 166 votes (for memory - may have been 164) after 14 rounds 

3 minutes ago, thevil1 said:

No, he was 6th after 13 rounds & it took a few for him to get over run by more consistent performers, including players who also missed matches.

And it probably would've been higher had he had a better pre season.

Yep, typo with the games and I corrected that.

The rest... meh.  We'll never know, but he was heading towards another 2016 type season before he went down.

6 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Came 21st in the B and F

 

Gun.  

He was 6th after 14 rounds, then got injured for a month, then was ordinary.

His first 2/3 of the year was good

I grew up in NZ so dont know if anyone else here is familiar with All Blacks history. but I think this is going to be exactly like when Wayne ''Buck'' Shelford was dropped in 1990 from the side and never re-selected. 

It was highly controversial amongst the public and for years and years afterwards, in any sport that NZ was involved with in both at home and abroad, someone somewhere would be holding up a "Bring Back Buck" sign!  You can still see such signs to this day.

If I saw the screen right on the livestream, is now 6th after 14 rounds...

8 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Or......the hamstring tear was worse than first diagnosed?

426

No doubt jumbo... but given his generally laconic demeanor and playing style (perceived or otherwise), it is not inconceivable to think he may put a bit less effort into rehabbing than other more dedicated players, is it?

" Watts did not do rehab properly while away and lost so much fitness he was useless on his return "

I read that from GNF as Watts not rehabbing properly the entire time he was away from playing, so when at home, when he had a day off, wherever and whenever he wasn't at the club... etc.  Not just the Byron trip.

Certainly would explain why he appeared to do a reverse Viney and take double the time to return from a two week injury.

I am completely torn on this.

I've always been a supporter, but got right off Jack late this season, particularly after the injury.

Now I'm back to wondering what if....  

Maybe this is the rocket that'll finally see the penny drop?  He's had plenty of rockets before, granted, but the worst he got from that was a spell in the twos...  this is much different.

I think I'd be much more comfortable with this, if this were happening this time next year, after this wake up call, cause if he doesn't get it now, I know 100% he never will.

Why do I care about this so much vs any other half decent player we move on?  No idea... probably because he has been so maligned over his career. He'd probably be the most talked about, scrutinized, meme'd, option #4 on every big footy poll, average player in the history of the game, and I've been riding the wave, hoping one day he'd prove everyone wrong. 

Just hoped that'd be for us rather than someone else 

Zing?

Yeah, happy with that.  I'll be tuning in for sure.

For those who can't....

TIMINGS (APPROXIMATE)
7.40pm - Event begins with MC's welcome, and Welcome to Country by Aunty Joy
7.50pm - Presentation of 2017 team 
7.57pm - Address from Chairman Glen Bartlett
8.05pm – Troy Broadbridge Memorial Trophy  (Best VFL Player)
8.10pm – Ian Ridley Memorial Trophy  (Club Ambassador Award)
8.15pm – Harold Ball Memorial Trophy  (Best young Player)
8.20pm - Round 1 – 8 video
8.23pm - Main meal break.
9.00pm - Round 9 – 14 video
9.04pm - AFLW B&F
9.10pm - James McDonald Trophy  (Heart & Spirit Award)
9.15pm - Ron Barassi Jnr Trophy  (Leadership Award)
9.20pm - Norm Smith Memorial Trophy  (Coaches' Award)
9.30pm - Milestones
9.40pm – Dessert Break
10.10pm - Rounds 15-23 video
10.12pm - Simon Goodwin Address
10.20pm – Top 5 Awards
Approx 11pm Event Close