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Coaches Votes for Melbourne players, 2023 https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html Votes Matches Polled Matches Christian Petracca 67 11 14 Clayton Oliver 40 9 10 Jack Viney 26 4 13 Jake Lever 17 4 13 Steven May 16 3 12 Max Gawn 15 5 11 Brodie Grundy 12 2 14 Kysaiah Pickett 12 2 12 Ed Langdon 10 2 14 Angus Brayshaw 7 2 14 Kade Chandler 6 2 14 Trent Rivers 6 1 14 Christian Salem 4 1 5 Michael Hibberd 4 1 9 Lachie Hunter 3 2 13 Bayley Fritsch 2 1 13 Tom McDonald 2 1 6 Round-by-round votes Votes 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 Christian Petracca 67 5 • 7 9 1 1 10 • 10 • 8 10 1 5 Clayton Oliver 40 2 1 9 8 • 2 7 7 2 2 Jack Viney 26 • • • • 6 • • 7 • • • 10 3 Jake Lever 17 9 2 • • • • • • • • 5 • 1 Steven May 16 • • • • • • 1 • • 8 7 • Max Gawn 15 5 • 3 • 3 • • 2 • 2 • Brodie Grundy 12 • • 6 6 • • • • • • • • • • Kysaiah Pickett 12 9 • • • 3 • • • • • • • Ed Langdon 10 • • 6 • • • • • • • • 4 • • Angus Brayshaw 7 • • • • • • 5 • • • 2 • • • Kade Chandler 6 • • 1 • • • 5 • • • • • • • Trent Rivers 6 • • • • • • • • 6 • • • • • Christian Salem 4 • • • 4 • Michael Hibberd 4 • • 4 • • • • • • Lachie Hunter 3 • • 1 • • • • • • 2 • • • Bayley Fritsch 2 • • • • • • • • • • • 2 • Tom McDonald 2 • • 2 • • •

Thanks djr. No, unfortunately that type of information is not available in the data I have access to.

The stats I posted were scores from defensive 50 and corridor (centre square extended to the two 50m arcs), not defensive half. When I look at the stats by half instead, I also get 33 points to 4. Here is the breakdown by half and region. Half Region For Against Defensive Centre 1 12 Defensive D50 1 19 Defensive Wing 2 2 Forward Centre 1 8 Forward F50 13 16 Forward Wing 45 21 I should note that there may be times when my figures for location of scoring chains won't align exactly with the official stats.

Thanks binman, I'm more than happy to assist where I can. If it's information I have direct access to, it may not require much effort to incorporate into these updates. And I'm glad you like the layout!

I have expanded the range of information included in the stats files updates, which now include Key Team Stats, pressure for all players (including their season average), and scores from the region where chains started. All except the data sourced from the Herald Sun has now been automated, so let me know if additional information can be included or if anything is unclear. Looking at the score sources for last night - Geelong scored 19 points to 1 from chains starting in defensive 50 (13-1 from turnovers), and 20 points to 2 from chains starting in the centre/corridor (18-1 from turnovers). A total of 39 points to 3 - Melbourne average 37.3 points to 24.9 from these locations this season. Melbourne concede 5.8 points on average from turnovers in the centre and 5.4 points from turnovers in our opponents' defensive 50.

Melbourne v Geelong (Round 15, 2023) https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231501 Key Team Stats Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne. Stat For Against Diff Disposal Efficiency 66.6 61.7 +4.9 Kicking Efficiency 58.5 53.2 +5.3 Metres Gained 6206 6104 +102 Inside 50s 52 53 -1 Shots At Goal 22 26 -4 Shots Per Inside 50 42.3 49.1 -6.7 Contested Possessions 160 149 +11 Ground Ball Gets 106 104 +2 Intercepts 91 96 -5 Intercept Marks 23 19 +4 Centre Clearances 9 11 -2 Stoppage Clearances 38 24 +14 Contested Marks 10 12 -2 Marks Inside 50 8 12 -4 Hitouts 47 31 +16 Hitouts To Advantage 14 4 +10 Tackles 75 70 +5 Tackles Inside 50 19 8 +11 Def One On One Loss % 20.0 5.6 +14.4 Pressure Team pressure Quarter For Against 1 183 206 2 224 175 3 214 197 4 163 204 Match 196 196 Source: Herald Sun Most Pressure Points Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ ) Player Pressure Acts Pressure Points Season Average* Christian Petracca 24 62 50.0 Jack Viney 23 54 52.8 Alex Neal-Bullen 20 51 49.1 Ed Langdon 26 50 28.2 Angus Brayshaw 24 50 26.6 Kysaiah Pickett 18 44 41.7 Christian Salem 20 39 31.8 Kade Chandler 17 37 32.7 Bayley Fritsch 15 37 20.4 Tom Sparrow 15 33 45.3 Lachie Hunter 14 32 23.5 Joel Smith 12 31 22.7 James Jordon 13 30 18.7 Trent Rivers 13 28 24.1 Judd McVee 12 26 19.4 Max Gawn 9 23 22.5 Jacob van Rooyen 10 22 24.8 Steven May 8 20 14.2 Harrison Petty 7 18 21.2 Michael Hibberd 6 16 12.2 Brodie Grundy 5 11 26.9 Charlie Spargo 4 9 23.9 Jake Lever 4 7 12.6 * Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player. Source: Herald Sun Time in Forward Half Quarter For Against 1 42% 58% 2 67% 33% 3 50% 50% 4 50% 50% Match 55% 45% Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarterly values are my own calculations. Score Sources Summary Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne. Category For Against Diff G B T G B T Kick-in 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 Centre Bounce 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1 Stoppage (Other) 4 6 30 3 1 19 +11 Turnover 4 8 32 8 9 57 -25 Category For Against Match Season Match Season Kick-in 0 3.1 0 2.8 Centre Bounce 1 11.1 2 7.6 Stoppage (Other) 30 22.6 19 22.8 Turnover 32 56.1 57 39.3 Chain start region Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Geelong. Category Region For Against Match Season Match Season Kick-in D50 0 3.1 0 2.8 Centre Bounce Centre 1 11.1 2 7.6 Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.4 6 2.3 Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.9 0 1.0 Stoppage (Other) Wing 19 11.3 7 6.6 Stoppage (Other) F50 11 7.9 6 12.9 Turnover D50 1 10.9 13 5.4 Turnover Centre 1 8.8 18 5.8 Turnover Wing 28 30.1 16 19.9 Turnover F50 2 6.3 10 8.2 Region For Against Match Season Match Season Centre 2 22.8 20 14.4 D50 1 14.5 19 10.5 F50 13 14.2 16 21.1 Wing 47 41.4 23 26.5 Shots at goal Team Shots G B T Acc. General Play Melbourne 14 4 8 32 28.6 Geelong 12 5 6 36 41.7 Set Position Melbourne 8 4 2 26 50.0 Geelong 14 6 4 40 42.9 Centre Bounce Attendances CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 % Jack Viney 20 87 68.5 74.6 Christian Petracca 20 87 65.9 74.6 Max Gawn 15 65 47.0 65.5 Angus Brayshaw 13 57 16.1 16.0 Tom Sparrow 12 52 47.8 32.2 Brodie Grundy 8 35 57.1 83.7 James Jordon 3 13 19.0 0.2 Trent Rivers 1 4 4.5 0.0 Kysaiah Pickett 0 0 12.9 1.3 Jacob van Rooyen 0 0 5.3 Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 3.7 3.5 Harrison Petty 0 0 1.2 0.0 Clayton Oliver 82.8 86.5 James Harmes 28.7 14.6 Tom McDonald 5.4 0.0 Josh Schache 0.0 13.8 Ruck Contests and Hitouts Ruck Contests Ruck Contests RC % 2023 % 2022 % Max Gawn 48 45 43.1 57.8 Brodie Grundy 42 40 50.5 77.4 Jacob van Rooyen 15 14 9.6 Steven May 1 1 0.1 0.0 Harrison Petty 0 0 2.7 0.0 Christian Petracca 0 0 0.1 0.1 Tom McDonald 8.9 7.0 Josh Schache 6.7 13.4 Ben Brown 3.8 3.6 Clayton Oliver 0.0 0.0 Hitouts Ruck Contests Hitouts To Adv. To Adv. % (2023) To Adv. % (2022) Max Gawn 48 23 8 31.4 33.6 Brodie Grundy 42 19 5 32.8 30.2 Jacob van Rooyen 15 5 1 16.7 Harrison Petty 0 0 0 22.2 Tom McDonald 25.0 33.3 Ben Brown 0.0 14.3 Josh Schache 33.3 Opposition hitouts Ruck Contests Hitouts To Adv. Rhys Stanley 85 26 3 Mark Blicavs 12 3 1 Tom Hawkins 9 2 0

Geelong is known for late changes so it could still change again!

Sorry, unfortunately my model flipped to Geelong by 1.2 points following team announcements! It will update again once subs are announced.

@Lord Travis the qualification of a minimum of 30 shots means only three Melbourne players qualify (Fritsch, Pickett and Petracca). Here is the accuracy of Melbourne players with a minimum of 10 shots this season: Tom McDonald - 72.73% (8 goals, 11 shots) Charlie Spargo - 71.43% (10 goals, 14 shots) Jacob van Rooyen - 69.57% (16 goals, 23 shots) Ben Brown - 69.23% (9 goals, 13 shots) Brodie Grundy - 60.00% (9 goals, 15 shots) Kade Chandler - 57.69% (15 goals, 26 shots) Jack Viney - 54.55% (6 goals, 11 shots) Alex Neal-Bullen - 52.63% (10 goals, 19 shots) Bayley Fritsch - 51.92% (27 goals, 52 shots) Kysaiah Pickett - 47.50% (19 goals, 40 shots) Max Gawn - 43.75% (7 goals, 16 shots) Christian Petracca - 28.21% (11 goals, 39 shots) Ed Langdon - 18.18% (2 goals, 11 shots)

The 'Current Rating' is weighted toward more recent results, so a team could be rated higher if they in better form. If you look at the following page of my site, you will see a 'Current Rating' section and an 'Overall Season Rating' section in the table. https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_ratings.html The overall season rating treats all matches equally. Melbourne is rated second overall, behind Collingwood, on the overall season defensive rating but first on the current defensive rating. St Kilda drops from third overall defensively to fourth currently as their form was better at the start of the season. Teams also inherit a proportion of their rating from the end of the prior season, so early season ratings will be impacted by the prior year. This wouldn't have much of an effect this far into the season. Secondly, the ratings are not based on actual team scores. They are based on a weighted average of the team scores and what teams would have scored had they kicked at an expected accuracy, and weighted more towards the latter. So when Melbourne kick 8.18, their score is adjusted (increased) to reflect the below average accuracy and to better reflect their dominance. As background information, the model is optimised for the prediction of matches. Specifically, it is optimised to minimise the mean absolute error in predicted margins. Applying a weighted average in this manner performs better than using actual team scores or just using scoring shots. Lastly, the ratings also take into account estimated opponent strength and estimated venue advantage/disadvantage.

Players polling coaches votes in a given match (2006-): 5 players: 227 times 6 players: 1215 7 players: 1349 8 players: 488 9 players: 68 10 players: 3 Matches with 10 players polling coaches votes: 2007, Round 13, Collingwood v Hawthorn (Link) 2016, Round 17, Adelaide v Collingwood (Link) 2022, Round 22, Western Bulldogs v Greater Western Sydney (Link)

Yes, that is something I'm looking at and will try to incorporate it into the Stats Files update in the future.

Ruck Contests Hitouts To Adv. Darcy Cameron 60 13 1 Mason Cox 24 12 3

Votes Matches Polled 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Christian Petracca 62 10 5 • 7 9 1 1 10 • 10 • 8 10 1 Clayton Oliver 40 9 2 1 9 8 • 2 7 7 2 2 Jack Viney 23 3 • • • • 6 • • 7 • • • 10 Jake Lever 16 3 9 2 • • • • • • • • 5 • Steven May 16 3 • • • • • • 1 • • 8 7 Max Gawn 15 5 5 • 3 • 3 • • 2 • 2 Brodie Grundy 12 2 • • 6 6 • • • • • • • • • Kysaiah Pickett 12 2 9 • • • 3 • • • • • • Ed Langdon 10 2 • • 6 • • • • • • • • 4 • Angus Brayshaw 7 2 • • • • • • 5 • • • 2 • • Kade Chandler 6 2 • • 1 • • • 5 • • • • • • Trent Rivers 6 1 • • • • • • • • 6 • • • • Christian Salem 4 1 • • • 4 Michael Hibberd 4 1 • • 4 • • • • • Lachie Hunter 3 2 • • 1 • • • • • • 2 • • Bayley Fritsch 2 1 • • • • • • • • • • • 2 Tom McDonald 2 1 • • 2 • • •

These figures are published in the Herald Sun for all players for all matches, but given the requirement to manually transcribe them I only post the highest for Melbourne each week. I can provide others on request.

I'm going to try to automate these posts as much as possible, so I should be able to quite easily incorporate the opponents' HO to advantage each week with no ongoing effort.

I can get the Pies hit outs to advantage. Would you like Melbourne's opponents' HO to advantage each week from now on? There are a few sources for expected scores - the figures I quoted are from the Herald Sun which are provided by Champion Data. They would be the most reliable as they capture the pressure on the player at the time of the kick. The AFLxScore and crow_data_sci twitter profiles both calculate Expected Scores based on the information available to them, which only use a proxy for pressure as the pressure information is not available to them. For example, you can use the fact that a player won a contested possession as a proxy for the amount of pressure they were under, but it won't accurately reflect the pressure they were under when they kicked the ball, only when they gained possession. A player could get an uncontested possession, then run into traffic and kick for goal under pressure. CD would rate this as a more difficult kick than AFLxScore.

Your post is missing the link to the expected scores.

Melbourne v Collingwood Pressure Q1: 176 - 180 Q2: 174 - 172 Q3: 201 - 206 Q4: 186 - 177 Tot: 183 - 186 Most Pressure Points (Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/) Petracca: 74 Viney: 65 Neal-Bullen: 59 Pickett: 43 Sparrow: 40 Chandler: 40 Langdon: 40 van Rooyen: 37 Brayshaw: 33 Time in forward half 58% - 42% Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter: Q1: 55% - 45% Q2: 50% - 50% Q3: 66% - 34% Q4: 63% - 37% Expected Scores 84 - 64

Melbourne v Collingwood https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231308 Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold. Pressure Not available until tomorrow. Q1: ? - ? Q2: ? - ? Q3: ? - ? Q4: ? - ? Tot: ? - ? Most Pressure Points (Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/) Not available until tomorrow. Time in forward half Not available until tomorrow. Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter: Q1: 55% - 45% Q2: 50% - 50% Q3: 66% - 34% Q4: 63% - 37% Score sources Centre bounce 2.0.12 - 0.0.0 Ball up 0.4.4 - 1.1.7 Throw in 0.0.0 - 1.0.6 Turnover 6.14.50 - 7.7.49 Kick-in 0.0.0 - 0.0.0 Shots at goal Set position 7.10.52 - 3.4.22 General play 1.4.10 - 6.2.38 Expected Scores Not available until tomorrow. Centre Bounce Attendances CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 % Christian Petracca 17 81 64.5 74.6 Jack Viney 16 76 67.2 74.6 Angus Brayshaw 14 67 13.5 16.0 Tom Sparrow 12 57 47.4 32.2 Max Gawn 11 52 45.4 65.5 Brodie Grundy 10 48 58.6 83.7 James Jordon 2 10 19.5 0.2 Trent Rivers 2 10 4.5 0.0 Kysaiah Pickett 0 0 13.9 1.3 Jacob van Rooyen 0 0 5.8 Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 3.9 3.5 Clayton Oliver 82.8 86.5 James Harmes 28.7 14.6 Tom McDonald 5.4 0.0 Harrison Petty 1.3 0.0 Josh Schache 0.0 13.8 Ruck Contests Ruck Contests RC % 2023 % 2022 % Brodie Grundy 42 50 51.5 77.4 Max Gawn 37 44 42.8 57.8 Jacob van Rooyen 5 6 9.0 Christian Petracca 0 0 0.1 0.1 Tom McDonald 8.9 7.0 Josh Schache 6.7 13.4 Ben Brown 3.8 3.6 Harrison Petty 3.1 0.0 Clayton Oliver 0.0 0.0 Hit outs Ruck Contests Hitouts To Adv. To Adv. % (2023) To Adv. % (2022) Brodie Grundy 42 26 5 33.2 30.2 Max Gawn 37 17 6 31.0 33.6 Jacob van Rooyen 5 3 0 16.0 Tom McDonald 25.0 33.3 Harrison Petty 22.2 Ben Brown 0.0 14.3 Josh Schache 33.3 https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

Votes Matches Polled 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Christian Petracca 61 9 5 • 7 9 1 1 10 • 10 • 8 10 Clayton Oliver 40 9 2 1 9 8 • 2 7 7 2 2 Jake Lever 16 3 9 2 • • • • • • • • 5 Jack Viney 13 2 • • • • 6 • • 7 • • • Max Gawn 13 4 5 • 3 • 3 • • 2 • Brodie Grundy 12 2 • • 6 6 • • • • • • • • Kysaiah Pickett 12 2 9 • • • 3 • • • • • Ed Langdon 10 2 • • 6 • • • • • • • • 4 Steven May 9 2 • • • • • • 1 • • 8 Angus Brayshaw 7 2 • • • • • • 5 • • • 2 • Kade Chandler 6 2 • • 1 • • • 5 • • • • • Trent Rivers 6 1 • • • • • • • • 6 • • • Michael Hibberd 4 1 • • 4 • • • • Lachie Hunter 3 2 • • 1 • • • • • • 2 • Tom McDonald 2 1 • • 2 • • •

The aggregate of several Squiggle models is very similar, at least in terms of the gap between Melbourne (4th) and Western Bulldogs (5th). https://squiggle.com.au/ladder/

Here are the round-by-round hitouts to advantage for 2022. Average 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Max Gawn 9.1 8 6 3 13 5 11 12 7 7 10 6 11 8 11 3 15 10 6 13 6 14 15 Luke Jackson 3.2 3 5 2 1 0 2 4 1 2 0 2 3 4 4 4 3 3 4 7 12 2 2 Sam Weideman 1.3 0 0 0 0 4 0 4 4 1 0 Tom McDonald 0.6 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 1 1 Ben Brown 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1

I can provide the game-by-game hit outs to advantage for 2022 if you would like to incorporate them into your 2022 ratings.

The home advantage is probably the biggest factor overall actually, but mainly for matches played between teams from different states. That sounds like a reasonable theory. I haven't analysed the different paths through the finals in the simulation results, but one thing it won't take into consideration is 1st playing a battle-hardened 2nd/3rd in the prelim. The simulations just see it as 1st being the home team against a likely lower-rated opponent so would win more often than not. Brisbane and Port's premiership chances are definitely negatively affected by having to play the GF at the MCG, but Brisbane is affected more.