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Allison is head of development. I guess we will find out what role he has. Midfield coach? 2nd assistant to the travelling secretary? Junior vice-president? He certainly won't be head of senior player retention...

Not $190,000 over 3?

As per my earlier post - I don't think he 'should' be DFA but that article isn't clear. The 1st lodgement is on the 31st October. The 2nd Lodgement is the one that he gets 'delisted' from for the ND. So we will find out in a few days.

How crass. Cancer is the body attacking itself. These people gave their time and put their money where their mouth was and you sit behind a screen and call them a cancer. This club is not big enough to hold so much hate against each other.

Yes, the fact that Petracca, Brayshaw and McCartin may or may not be those players. Right now they are the best players but I can pretty much guarantee from bitter experience that others will pass at least one of them, maybe all of them. The judgements made on here about taking 'best available' are increasingly becoming moot, being weighed down by the fact that those that were the 'best available' when they were 18 are anything but when they are 22.

If he is 'delisted' then he can sign with anyone on Nov 1. If he 'listed' into the second list lodgement then he will go to the draft. From that confused article - I am not to certain what he is doing.

How is this helpful? You want to know why clubs get bigger? Why Hawthorn left us in their wake after the merger stuff? Because they were united, they didn't worry about burning people, issuing blame f-o-r-e-v-e-r to those that tried but couldn't. Clubs don't grow on sentiments like yours - they die from it. Harsh, but true.

I am sorry to say, but most of those extolling the virtues of going for 'Best Available' are going for the best players right now. There is a difference between picking the best available players, and picking the players you believe will be the best players. I would prefer the latter.

Viney struggled because he is the 4th or 5th best mid as a 20 year old. He is asked to do too much at the minute due to our compromised midfield.

We have had massive issues simply paying the minimum of the cap that we have to pay. We are going to overpay our compromised list - that's how it works when you have an equalised salary cap with an amount you have to pay.

Weren't you saying while this trade was being mooted that it was the best thing for Trengove - to move on? He does not owe the club anything - he got injured playing for this club and at the end of 2015 he, and the club, will have a few huge decisions to make. Going by his attitude in that Instagram post - he is going to keep fighting for his career as a footballer. I think it is highly likely that this plays out next October after another season where his game time is non-existent or limited. At that point, the decision the club and Jack make might be to move on. Just as they did a few weeks ago. If he is 'finished' with the club next October, the club might be 'finished' with him. It's not 'rot' - it's footy.

You think that failed draft picks don't have potential? That's all they ever had. We just didn't pick the ones who could unlock it, had the body to use it, or just didn't have enough of it. I will say that the club had not been good enough to help them reach their full potential but some overcome that happy excuse; Nathan Jones being the obvious success story for the track record of MFC Development.

The decision to agree to a trade pending a medical is an enormous decision for any person - let alone a ripping bloke. I am not questioning his loyalty, or his character, or the decision for both sides to agree to move on - all I am suggesting is that once a player like Jack makes the decisions that would have to have been made for that medical to be performed - he may want to bring that decision to its conclusion and move on from the club. His 2015 is looking like one of rehabilitation and the decision makers at the club are not in a position to give promises to him - if he gets another contract in the AFL it will given in October next year when all teams, including ours, have a better idea of their list and his fitness to continue as an elite level footballer. Given that - I can see a scenario where he moves on, and the club moves on. Just like they nearly did a few weeks ago...

What if the potential was all it ever was? Maybe we got the initial decision wrong?

Are they transcendent talents? Yes! Then pick them. Your list of players does not inspire confidence. Viney, Salem, Tyson are talented enough to be in that 12 as we move forward with Jones and Vince so I hope they continue their progress. JKH and Kent show promise in the middle but not more than that. Toumpas, Hunt, Riley and Michie have done next to nothing for me to be excited about them as midfielders.

And only one of those is contracted for 2015 at the moment. Contracts have not really been an impediment for Roos with his list overhaul - the general lack of talent of the list is the greatest impediment... Opening list spots has not been a problem - there have been plenty. Moving players in trades has been difficult because of the talent we don't have. If a list is a manifest of your investments - we would have the weakest portfolio in the league. Worrying about 'Evans being contracted is not allowing ND53 to be picked up' is trivial. Our list will get better when we attract FAs next year hopefully, and get our top draft picks right in a few weeks.

I'm not deviating - no-one is telling me he is a transcendent talent that is streets ahead of the 4th best prospect. Every year, there is a mid taken in the range after the first few 'locks' that turns into an absolute gun. We need that gun at ND3. You can make forward line with the talent we have and can trade for a player or two later, the midfield requires instant attention and the injection of three quality players last year gave us a sum of 5 and it still moved the needle only slightly - we were still behind in so many metrics in the middle. But forgetting stats for a moment - Matt Jones is our 6th best mid, that should be alarming. You need 10-12 quality players to rotate through there. Matt Jones suited to the tenth or eleventh rotation...

Did you know that draftees who are in their first draft get an automatic 2 year contract? So there's a spanner in your plan. A simpler spanner would be the issue of never knowing exactly who your 'bottom 6' players are for certain, and that sometimes humans surprise you and Neville Jetta says 'hi'... Friendly fellow.

The difference is laid out in the CBA and it is more than just guaranteed years on the list.

Yeah, ok, all I wanted you to know is that no-one on here seems to give a flying about this 'loyal country boy' meme and that I don't think blokes waiting to sign contracts means they are a bad leader and I have no idea how this played into the whole issue of those that see list management akin to FIFA Manager - which is what I assume you meant with the D&D quip. The post was all over the place - that's it.

There are a few 'forum cloggers' on here let me tell you.

We have one. He will need a midfield to get him the ball.

Two or three players does not move the needle in the middle - you need a platoon. You can design a forward line around one good player and good delivery - if you can't get the ball out of the middle and through the middle - what you have in the forward line is irrelevant.

We didn't get them though - so you can't just assume one can pick mids anywhere in the draft like you were implying. I just don't want to have the sinking feeling looking at a post similar to the one above mentioning the mids we could have had at ND3 in 2014 that we did not get...

Nathan was constantly injured and jettisoned after a year. If picking him up in the first place is the problem - it's a different problem. I would prefer a culture that treats the 44 players more-or-less equally - especially injured teenagers - and not just the ones 'that show promise.' Surely they all do if they are picked up in the first place?