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Yeah, it's way worse than you think it is, wyl. One equalisation measure is that gate receipts from all clubs go in a pool to be shared equally. Just putting that out there. Doesn't solve the issue, bug it would affect more than one club, and all the clubs would reap. The benefits of the AFLs obsession with crowd numbers.
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It may look much better, whether it will be much better however... I agree that it is a sound decision if they don't rate Evans and/or he had issues with the new coaching group. But dismissing contracted players is not without consequences, however seemingly minor. Full benefit will now be got from that Frost trade now, unless they have a DFA lined up.
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He is doing himself a favour by trying to find a vocation he 'wants' to do, and he is doing his employer a favour by not letting this continue. Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that we have recruited a few other players that haven't been 'up' for the life of an AFL footy player, but they are happy to coast along and get delisted after a few years. Here a boy says 'this isn't for me' and lets us know before we waste more time, and we are preoccupied with the general motives of football players of his race, rather than the mark of this individual making a good decision for himself and the club.
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Yeah, I just meant that if we see the finished product I doubt it will meet the AFL's 'light alternative' guideline.
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And Evans delisting brings ND53 into play. Suddenly the Frost trade becomes an interesting point of reference for Melbourne fans for the few years... Or does the club have another DFA lined up?
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That is autocol's opinion of Lucifer's Hero's opinion. You are being the Anti-PC Coastguard of the PC Police of late...
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The fact remains we have recruited poorly. I understand the desire to say 'look other clubs have f-ed up!' but not to the extent that we have. I am not certain you disagree with anything that I am saying really... And Morton did not beat Goodes that day - in fact, Goodes was the only Swan to beat his man...
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I think if they decided to go down this path - of delisting and offering a rookie spot - then offering to honour the terms of his contract while he is on the Rookie List is adequate. If they do not see any glimmer of a future then they should pay him out - which will probably be near enough to his entire salary and move on. To squibble over $15k for a player you are axing a year early looks petty.
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That's not our red though. Our red isn't a light red. I will keep an open mind but I am not hopeful.
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You are missing my point - I am not saying the club was handcuffed into making these decisions. I am criticising the ethos of some fans that intimate a player 'can't be taken this early, that would be a reach' when the 'reach' won't be known to be that for years. The experts tell us who we should select once again, and probabilities say it is BS - they don't know. So whoever Roos and Taylor and Viney see as the best bet at ND2 and ND3 should be judged in a few years time, not in the immediate aftermath of the draft; those judgements come from ignorance.
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It should be done as it is done - on a case by case basis to those who want it bad enough. Not throwing a blanket over a group of people and delisting players for the sake of change.
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You cannot elevate anyone until the eve of the season.
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18 clubs passed on him in DFA, there is another DFA coming up in a day. If he doesn't get taken then, it would be very unlikely that he will get taken in the ND. The RD would be his best bet.
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So he wants to retire? Or we want to rookie him and he wants to go? I would love for this to be sorted out, surely a bit of a distraction to the group right now.
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Gysberts and Cook were ND11 and ND12. We have ND2 and ND3 and we have picked the 'expert consensus pick' with ND4 in 2007, ND1 in 2008, ND1 and ND2 in 2009, and ND4 in 2012. I think there is a massive difference between a pick in the top 4 and those in the teens. From those 5 picks in the top 4 we are going to get a long, maligned career out of one of them, possibly two. The 'experts' were wrong, those that criticise 'reaching' in this AFL Teenage Lottery Draft overlook history and our past experience.
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While I agree that ND3 may become far more valuable in 2/3 years time than Frawley - that is not a given unfortunately.
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Yes.
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We didn't reach. We picked the kids we were meant to - that all the 'experts' said were 'sure things' - and you will revise history once more if Brayshaw and McCartin don't make the grade. They are 'best rated' right now by some self-proclaimed experts, but will they be in 4 years time?
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I don't think there has been moaning and agonising over the paying out and rookie-ing of players - just posters pointing out why the club might not consider it worthwhile and what the other options are.
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What if the club doesn't think it will better the list? Evans may be more value than ND53, and us honouring contracts may be more valuable than the difference between ND53 and RD2 - which is about 15 live selections.
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They might be able to take that speculative kid at RD2. The club may want to have Evans instead of another kid to carry for a couple of years in hope.
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Updated. 6 players confirmed onto the PL, another 5 to come (3 PL, 2 RL) in the next few months. Roos has seen 18 changes to the PL over his short tenure: Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Cross, Michie, Vince, JKH, Riley, and Hunt in 2014 and Jetta, Lumumba, Garlett, Frost, Newton, Stretch, ND2, ND3, and ND40 to come in 2015. That's a 45% change in two years for those that wanted a bit of change. Next year might see that jump to 60-65% such is the state of the list...
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I guess you would know.
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Evans will be kept on the PL now I believe. The difference between ND53 and RD2 is about 15 live selections, each getting progressively more prospective in potential talent. I don't see a great need to delist a contracted player now that Barry has retired.
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Barry's retirement has saved the career of Tapscott IMO. I think he will be taken at RD20 if not taken before, no contracted player will be delisted, and we will use ND53 for Jetta, and use RD2 for a new player.