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That is autocol's opinion of Lucifer's Hero's opinion. You are being the Anti-PC Coastguard of the PC Police of late...
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The fact remains we have recruited poorly. I understand the desire to say 'look other clubs have f-ed up!' but not to the extent that we have. I am not certain you disagree with anything that I am saying really... And Morton did not beat Goodes that day - in fact, Goodes was the only Swan to beat his man...
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I think if they decided to go down this path - of delisting and offering a rookie spot - then offering to honour the terms of his contract while he is on the Rookie List is adequate. If they do not see any glimmer of a future then they should pay him out - which will probably be near enough to his entire salary and move on. To squibble over $15k for a player you are axing a year early looks petty.
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That's not our red though. Our red isn't a light red. I will keep an open mind but I am not hopeful.
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You are missing my point - I am not saying the club was handcuffed into making these decisions. I am criticising the ethos of some fans that intimate a player 'can't be taken this early, that would be a reach' when the 'reach' won't be known to be that for years. The experts tell us who we should select once again, and probabilities say it is BS - they don't know. So whoever Roos and Taylor and Viney see as the best bet at ND2 and ND3 should be judged in a few years time, not in the immediate aftermath of the draft; those judgements come from ignorance.
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It should be done as it is done - on a case by case basis to those who want it bad enough. Not throwing a blanket over a group of people and delisting players for the sake of change.
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You cannot elevate anyone until the eve of the season.
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18 clubs passed on him in DFA, there is another DFA coming up in a day. If he doesn't get taken then, it would be very unlikely that he will get taken in the ND. The RD would be his best bet.
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So he wants to retire? Or we want to rookie him and he wants to go? I would love for this to be sorted out, surely a bit of a distraction to the group right now.
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Gysberts and Cook were ND11 and ND12. We have ND2 and ND3 and we have picked the 'expert consensus pick' with ND4 in 2007, ND1 in 2008, ND1 and ND2 in 2009, and ND4 in 2012. I think there is a massive difference between a pick in the top 4 and those in the teens. From those 5 picks in the top 4 we are going to get a long, maligned career out of one of them, possibly two. The 'experts' were wrong, those that criticise 'reaching' in this AFL Teenage Lottery Draft overlook history and our past experience.
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While I agree that ND3 may become far more valuable in 2/3 years time than Frawley - that is not a given unfortunately.
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Yes.
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We didn't reach. We picked the kids we were meant to - that all the 'experts' said were 'sure things' - and you will revise history once more if Brayshaw and McCartin don't make the grade. They are 'best rated' right now by some self-proclaimed experts, but will they be in 4 years time?
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I don't think there has been moaning and agonising over the paying out and rookie-ing of players - just posters pointing out why the club might not consider it worthwhile and what the other options are.
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What if the club doesn't think it will better the list? Evans may be more value than ND53, and us honouring contracts may be more valuable than the difference between ND53 and RD2 - which is about 15 live selections.
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They might be able to take that speculative kid at RD2. The club may want to have Evans instead of another kid to carry for a couple of years in hope.
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Updated. 6 players confirmed onto the PL, another 5 to come (3 PL, 2 RL) in the next few months. Roos has seen 18 changes to the PL over his short tenure: Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Cross, Michie, Vince, JKH, Riley, and Hunt in 2014 and Jetta, Lumumba, Garlett, Frost, Newton, Stretch, ND2, ND3, and ND40 to come in 2015. That's a 45% change in two years for those that wanted a bit of change. Next year might see that jump to 60-65% such is the state of the list...
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I guess you would know.
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Evans will be kept on the PL now I believe. The difference between ND53 and RD2 is about 15 live selections, each getting progressively more prospective in potential talent. I don't see a great need to delist a contracted player now that Barry has retired.
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Barry's retirement has saved the career of Tapscott IMO. I think he will be taken at RD20 if not taken before, no contracted player will be delisted, and we will use ND53 for Jetta, and use RD2 for a new player.
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If he is happy then that is all that matters - you don't need to play AFL. He told us now rather than during a season, and that is something. It's not ideal but sometimes 18 year olds start a career they don't see a future in. Sorry to harp on the point - but this would be less of chance to happen if the draft age was 20; he would have already spent time in a semi-professional environment while doing some study or working and he would be in a better position to know whether this career was for him.
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The bottom clubs get the highest picks and raising the draft age will allow clubs to have a better idea of the talent they are selecting. The bottom teams get better players than those above them, and then are able to compete. And evenness of the teams is a bit different to the equalisation argument. Although it is linked. I was more pointing out that the number of blow outs affects the entertainment value of the game and having a greater spread of talent will of course help that.
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Yes, but when posters are placing some kids above others - it is sometimes because of their talent at age 18, not when they are ready to deliver on their potential. The amount of times I have heard people exclaim that Brayshaw and McCartin are 'brutes, with bog bodies, ready from day one, or we should pick because they aren't skinny kids' makes we wonder whether people actually understand the obvious - the best players of this draft class will not necessarily reveal themselves for years.
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I would do both. The AFL is constantly trying to improve the game, if they spent half as much energy improving the recruitment and contract infrastructure they would the game immeasurably by having more even teams.
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'Best talent available', or 'who you think will be the best players when they are 22 that are available'?