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6 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

 Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

So easy to say, so hard to do. 
 

Who?

Even harder to quote.

I don’t know - anyone who is a chance of playing in the team would be a start.

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Awesome. Let’s make AFL fixturing even less equal! 

While we’re at it, let’s just make the trade period permanently open so the rich clubs can trade guns in each week to play the opponents of their choosing too!

Modern sport changes for the sake of change and supposed excitement are braindead. How good is the stand rule?!

9 hours ago, Mach5 said:

I’m not convinced you are correct. I think he’s now worth more than we paid last year and it’s not relevant. We paid for a ruckman that had a massive injury cloud over him and was only fit sporadically for over more than 12 months. He has low proven to be fit and capable, only being kept out of the side by the league’s best ruckman and the fact he’s an ordinary forward. He’s also worth a lot more to Port than he was to us (back-up vs missing piece).

I think we will work to get him to Port if it’s his preference, but should be asking for a pick around 20 and not pay a cent of his salary going forward. 

Port can play hardball but that will only bring Sydney into play as a real option.

He will have a preference and we hopefully want to free up the cap space for first 18 player - both things negate whatever increase in value Grundy has seen in this ‘fit and capable’ year. 

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

How is the idea meritorious?

To further the reward for the top team and to avoid similar situations like the Pies having to play us when 2 more preferable teams finished above us. In the NBA there are some teams that have injuries and then their best teams come good and they scrape into the playoffs. The Lakers won the play in tournament and Le Bron and Davis smashed through the 2nd seed Grizzlies from 7th. Memphis would have picked the injury riddled Clippers instead and advanced.

Again, I wouldn’t necessarily make this my first change when I become the Emperor of the AFL (all power be upon me), but it has merit.

27 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

This gem from the Collingwood board:

“Given this year's scenario, why not have Cwood v Port at the MCG?- Cwood get advantage for finishing top and Port still play an interstate final. Brisbane v Melb at Gabba - Brisbane get home final and Melb don't get any advantage”

It may happen in the future - the top team chooses their opponent. NBA is flirting with that idea. I can see the merit.

19 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

By Gawn learning to play with a second ruck again.

He needs a chop out but we always needed a forward who can ruck and not a flat out ruck - Goodwin thought in 2022 that we could turn Gawn into that forward who rucks and it was a mistake. A mistake that Gawn can’t stop waxing lyrical about. Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

42 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grundy has not been in the Best 22, since early in the Season. We have all seen that. But this is September, and I hope The Selectors seriously consider Brodie, in the 23 as a Back up for The Ruck duties. 

Max Gawn will be targeted, Hit hard, repeatedly by opponents. We must be proactive in countering this. I will be very disappointed and angry if Grundy is in the Grandstand whilst Max is copping Physical assault.

 

Prepare to be disappointed and angry…

…and whatever emotion is left because I still think we’ll win… 

…horny?

50 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If Gawn does a knee (again) and we don’t have Grundy on the list who is rucking for Melbourne?

If Gawn doesn’t do a knee and we do have Grundy on the list - how does Grundy play AFL footy next year?

29 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Max was mostly played out of position in his first couple of years as a forward.

As we know, Max is not a forward.

The first time I saw Max play in the ruck full time at Werribee against the Dogs 2's and Ben Hudson it was obvious to me that he had the talent to make it. The rest was in his hands and thankfully he has fulfilled that promise.

Max was so raw when he was young. Baby giraffes take 6+ years to come good. I’m glad we made the investment. Jefferson should take less time if he is to be something but I think he needs to be 22/3 before his body is ready to take what is coming to him if he plays as a tall in a forward line.

One exercise might be helpful as the masses on here are convincing themselves of our superiority - if we were to lose, why would that happen?

What I see; we may struggle to take advantage of periods of dominance if Fritsch or CP5 aren’t firing, we may be cut through with the Pies ball movement and because of high press they may get 4 great looks in a hurry, we might fall back into some bad habits around slow ball movement out of the backline and tied with losing stoppages it would just invite pressure…

Anyway, exploration of those scenarios would be helpful - because you will talk plenty about the reverse.

22 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Who’s to say that if we trade Grundy the portion Collingwood pay towards his salary is transferable? That deal is between Melbourne and Collingwood. 

Cal Twomey asked Paul Connors - it’s between Coll and Grundy for the life of the contract. There is no deal between Melb and Coll.

18 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It would be interesting to go back and see what posters thought of Gawn in his first couple years.

I remember posting with Gawn that we shouldn’t expect anything for 6 years much to the frustration of the heaving masses on here; this cuts both ways - both groups that are thinking Jefferson can be best 23 in 2024/5 and those that deride him in his first year - are placing unfair expectations on him.

26 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

To my mind, the MFC made a big sales pitch and a commitment to Grundy when we contracted him., and we need to make Gawndy work.He is a AA ruckman. He is a top bloke. He has all the qualities we want in a clubman. There is no real reason the two cannot work together - even if it’s 15 min on and 15 min bench time each quarter. WTF would you let him go and replace him with a second rate or has-been ruckman? Make it work Melbourne, or look very silly if you cannot.

I think we will play him Thursday.
 

Sunk cost. We won’t try to make it work - this is a QF. Win this and we are on the right side of the draw to Port at the G for a chance to go to a GF. 

It didn’t work - Gawn can’t make it work - it’s not the end of the world. 

Let’s pick the best team to win some finals.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Unless we arranged the meeting with Hinkley, Rozee and Butters, we can safely assume Grundy wants to leave.

He is contracted to us.

We hold the cards.

We will assist him to get to Port, or wherever, but won't be screwed over as suggested by Ralphy.

He will likely replace Lycett, who is on the same money at Port.

I don't think Lycett is an AA ruckman.

Port are one of our main opposition.

We get a fair deal, or we tell him to go to a club that gives us one, or he can stay with us as Insurance.

His and his preferred club's choice.

“Coach Ken Hinkley spent the day in Melbourne to lead the power pitch, joined by All Australian pair Zak Butters and Connor Rozee.

“Port now the clear front runners for Grundy who looks increasingly likely to request a trade at season’s end.

“Expect Melbourne to drive a hard bargain.”

Red, if we have a fwd lined up that we plan on using that $650k on, do you think we drive a ‘hard bargain’ especially with our draft hand? 

The journos can ‘expect’ all they want - and I do love how we take their words without salt when it suits - but we will get similar to what we paid and move on.

1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I respectfully disagree.

We will do the right thing by Brodie Grundy. But we will also do what BENEFITS the Melbourne Football Club.

I reiterate that Brodie Grundy has signed a 4 year deal with us.

We have all the power. Don't forget that.

This means if Port Adelaide wish to obtain a trade for Brodie Grundy they need to come up with an attractive offer that is beneficial for both parties.

Otherwise, we simply say NO to Port Adelaide. We have all the bargaining power.

Mate, respectfully, that’s just not the case.

We have the premier ruckman in the game who is incapable of playing as a forward that rucks part time, therefore we have $650k worth of another player plying his trade in the VFL. We need to invest that money and whatever value we can get into a forward to help us win before Gawn, May and Viney are done in the next 3 years.

Players can also say no to moving which also diminishes our ‘holding of cards’…

Finals are all about execution on the day. I am grateful for the opportunity the club is giving me to make myself sick with anxiety and trepidation.

But I can live with being beaten by a team that can execute better on the day - but after last year - we are due to be on the winning side of that ‘execution battle’…

We look fit, our best players are at least fit with only two adjusting to long breaks out injured, and we are in form with what we are good at - contest and defence.

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If Grundy plays and wins a flag this year, would he still be out the door?

Depends on how he plays - if he is playing first ruck which is the most likely way he plays - something unthinkable has happened to Gawn that may end his career. 

Then, yes, we will keep him…

Not worth thinking about tho.

32 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

It seemed odd that Schache was given another contract. Doesnt seem so odd now . FFS.

Cant believe  Grundy is going  already. He's just got here ! 

We need JVR up forward not flopping about around the ground.

Tmac is almost done. What happens when Gawn gets injured????

Gawn  could get monstered next Thursday and we'll need Grundy to take over in the ruck especially if were playing week after.

Grundy must stay.

He’s not leaving next Monday FFS.

Gawn gets injured in QF, Grundy will play SF but Oct rolls around and he will move on, and we will move onto another back up ruck, hopefully one that can also play forward.

31 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

When we took Grundy, we took him coming off a 12 month injury and there was speculation that he may never get right and Pies needed to get him off their books. Not suggesting we take a future 1st but it’s going to be more than what we paid for him given he is now fit, proved capable and is in good form and at 650K is a bargain. 

He’s not playing AFL and he is on $650k, if he was in good form he would be playing.

Im sorry but reality doesn’t see what you see.

Did you go over the Nick’s @Lucifers Hero - that’s where the real nuffies live.

4 hours ago, Vineytime said:

Is Ports future 1st a realistic trade option for us?

4 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

That could be an option.

But remember that the Demons hold all the cards with Brodie Grundy being contracted for 4 years. We need to drive a hard bargain! Squeeze Port Power for as much as we can!

I would prefer a young talented player from Port Adelaide. I mentioned earlier that Josh Sinn, Miles Bergman and Ollie Lord are likely types we could target. Port Adelaide will need to give up talent to get talent. Especially as Brodie Grundy is in his prime and a 2 time All Australian Ruckmen.

Remember, Collingwood wanted to get rid of Brodie Grundy! Whereas, we are more than happy to keep him.

Anyway, I have plenty of faith in Tim Lamb and the MFC list management team. 🙏

You guys are just gearing yourselves up to be disappointed. We may be willing to keep the player. That is vastly different to being happy to keep him - we are not getting a first round pick and we will end up with something similar to what we paid so that Brodie can go somewhere he will play.

These are people with careers - we aren’t going Dodoro the situation, and it certainly doesn’t mean he is not a ‘team player’ for meeting with other clubs in the bye week before a finals series he is highly unlikely to feature in. 

This is not the future we sold him and we will do what good clubs do.

My mate got annoyed when I said he put a few pounds on.

I will tell him I am just being bio-anatomically observant.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I must admit I'm pretty disappointed that to hear that he's gone and met with a club right on the eve of finals and with a club that we're potentially contending against.

I am all for players meeting up with clubs etc because that's the nature of the game and we've done it in the past ourselves. 

But it's about picking the appropriate time and space. Doing this while his current club is still contending and he's trying to break back into the team should br his absolute prime focus.

All he had to do was respectfully wait after the finals series and advise Port that he would be fully focussing on thr job at hand and park any trade talk aside.

You can tell Goody is sick of all the Grundy talk that comes up in his pressers. So what does this do now? Create more unnecessary noise.

Hope we don't pick him for the rest of the year now.

There’s a week off and he isn’t in the team. It’s fine.

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We haven't told him he's done?

Listen to Goody in his pressers and he's always saying how much of a required player he is and that he's still an integral part of our future.

It's Grundy who doesn't feel the same hence why he's meeting with other clubs.

 

Goodwin would say that regardless- he’s on a 4 year contract.

Grundy met with us in winter last year, I don’t see the problem - the older blokes can compartmentalise.

And those that demand one of their better young players is kidding themselves. We do not hold the whip hand here - we surely want to free up cap and spend it on a first 18 player or players.

The value will be similar to what we paid.

And she was good on her return - had a few goal assists and her kicking inside50 is great.