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Yep don't mind trhat trade at all....

Robby played at 17 Watson at 15 surely if good enough........

This is absolute lunacy, and IF confirmed as in above info from Jonesbag and in link to another thread "Is your support of MFC unconditional"? Not if this trade ensues! What is going on?

Very Harsh dee old , given our superb prior ability to develop players, I would expect these two to become absolute champions! show some faith man!

Jack Viney A man for all seasons it seems Summer: Ivor Warne Smith/Checker Hughes Autumn: Ron Barassi Winter: Norm Smith Spring: Robert Flower Pick whilst still fresh and in harvest!! Methinks Fence!

Why do I have an uneasy feeling about this?? Gee I really hope we end speculation and just take him at our first opportunity!

Re Juice yes you are correct total ACL but amazingly apparently he did it and keep playing on.! Pity because the way he had been playing he was a realistic chance to have been picked up again for AFL if my mail is/ was correct! Several clubs were monitoring closely!

I'll say it now this club needs to act as decisively as it has NEVER done before. If we lose out on getting Viney by playing smoke screens and mirrors, It will have huge repercussions for a long long time I have seen this kid play and Boy do I like what I see. I can see a conflict of interest here and Todd Viney is at the crux of it. IMO it is HIS call as head of recruiting and if he calls out his son at Number 2 I will be very happy and if not why not ! This is almost nepotism in reverse!! In my opinion he is almost in a no win situation here. I almost reckon he should publically come out and declare that he will have no input into this decision because of family pressure. Time will tell and I hope this doesn't end up biting us on the Rump!! Think combo Of Sellwood, Scott Thompson and Dane Swan and you end up with.... Jack Viney take him at earlist chance or the devil take the hindmost!

To slow and skills not up to it. Who could forget his hopelessly inept effort in being 30 metres out from goal on a set shot and ... failing to make the distance! Yes hard as nails but in this quickening game lack of pace and skills are telling! A poor man's Valenti and look where he is now!

Stefan Martin was/ is a developing key position back, a useful backup ruckman and a pathetically inept forward! If any mismanagement took place it was the brainiac that thought versatility is the be all and end all of all player development and as a result this situation ensued! IMO I reckon we tampered too much and now find ourselves trying to manage our own ineptitude to develop players. Stef Martin should by now have developed into a really good centre half back but alas he is tradebait. Pity for all concerned!

Rivers is much much better than Garland and light years ahead of McDonald, who still is not a bad player. Let me put it this way Rivers on song makes it look easy a lot like Matt Scarlett ,which is why I can see Geelong are into him big time, what concerns me though is, in pursuit of other's we neglect our own! Riv our Garry Hardeman of the new age> Let go at your peril !! Keeper absolutely!

I'll say it again pick 13 and Martin for Dawes and Wellingham!! Do the deal??

Collingwood are not that stupid BUT if so quick before they change their minds throw in Martin and there you have it!

Ive seen enough to suggest that at no 3 he is overs BUT he is certainly top 10. Therefore to pay slightly overs for him would not faze me one little bit. He is grunt personified a more polished version of Chunky Jones and has massive upside Just think of him as a at this stage a developing combo of Mc Veigh, Thompson, and Swan and you might get the idea of what we have the opportunity of securing this type which we desperately need! A must in my book!

I always thought Peter a good player, his brother Glenn was.... ahem less so! Don't you think they would be a little past it by now?

I wouldn't .....Id take Dawes a proven "Grunt target Forward" over a spare parts ruck, a better defender and a hopeless forward Martin anyday! If IF that is the possible scenario! Don't let Dawes bad season fool you, he opens up play, can take a pack mark, is a target and would take a serious defender away from Clark. Get at all costs!

No No No

Yep thats the way it seems!

We are looking more and more like "Lepers on Pluto" no one with any football pedigree wants to come to us. Getting Mitch Clark was a "Fluke" a tremendous fluke but remember he can't do it all himself!

I'll tell you what it tells me.. That we are light years away from anything Sydney are able to do. I'll give you some more reasons, Sydney oozes Class, Grunt, Poise and that word again "Culture" I'm glad you are sold on Neeld's footy philosophy because I for one am a long way from being sold!

Theres only one thing wrong with your logic Maldon Boy 38 Magner, Couch , Sellar are depth only and would not be expected to be the type to launch a game plan on!

Yeah well you know these things start somewhere right or wrong, I'm happy to offer an opinion and like everyone else on this forum I am entitled to my own! Ok I'll start again IF IF IF and AGAIN I say IF this actually happens then yeah I'd question the Footy Dep't decision. I reckon a few more would as well! But it aint up to me... just those who are paid some tidy money to get it right! Ok ?

What is going on?? Roden one day Ray the other. another extreme NQR DO OUR FOOTY DEPT EXPECT TO BUILD OUR NEXT SUCCESFUL PERIOD ON GUYS LIKE THIS?? I am bewildered!

Buddy's kicking biomechanically is very very iffy at best. His set shot routine and technique are very poor. On the run he gets more than most but his set shots are probably the most hit and miss in the competition.His record sans finals was 69 goals 64 points. A one goal one miss avg is not a great return.His set shots are by far the area where he scores most of his points. Reason is that his exaggerated arc means that for him to kick a goal he must time the ball precisely at the optimum piont of contact for the ball to travel on a straight trajectory which given his arc is nearly impossible! Its a bit like imparting swing on a cricket ball. The times he nearly gets it right the ball will curve left to right and if lucky slightly straighten at the end which might MIGHT result in a goal. If he aims left then he has some chance of scoring a goal. If however he gets the timing slighly wrong the ball either swings too far left to right because of his leg rotation arc swing and veers prodigiously left to right and goes through for a point on the right hand side or he kicks straight and the ball goes true through on the left hand side and doesn't deviate! Result point on this left side side. On the run this is less of a problem as he seems to time the ball much better probably because he is actually more balanced on the run than with set shot. In my estimation the Coaches at Hawthorn have probably decided not to tinker with his action, however with a better procedural biomechanical approach his set shot ratio would improve if it improves then relatively easy shots which he had in the Grand Final would have been nailed!! I reckon Hawthorn would be seriously thinking about this very thing because 69-64 is a very poor return. If they don't attempt to rectify it then this error will continue and ultimately cost games and in fact maybe Grand Finals just like we saw on Saturday. Another big gun Roughead was very poor which meant two misfiring Hawks left Hawks wanting alternate avenues to goal which didn't eventuate! A look at Mitch Clarks technique is almost copybook and as a result he scores consistently from set shots. Further back Peter Mc Kenna was the best kick for goal I have ever seen. Dead eye, rehearsed, simple and timed to perfection resulting more often than not in premium goalkicking! Roughead is overrated and both he and Buddy will have the sceptre of what could have been hanging over their heads for a very long time!

Groan, lets see Roger Moore might just be able to do a James Bond impersonation and he too might be of some use!! Are we really that desperate people??