picket fence

Mods can we close thread he is of no further interest to us and is a Board clogger!

Won't be happy if we cannot get one of Dawes or Pederson!! Epic Fail if IF so!

Ridiculous if IF true! Pick 20 for Ray...... groan Cheezus H Christmas , I'll be happy when this apparition, bedevillment, gut wrenching trade fiasco and rumour file filled menagerie is over !

And if IF Hogan takes time to develop???? Where are we then?? Given our great record of developing players( not) I would hope the DEES do the Daws deal TODAY!!

I disagree I would definately part with pick 20 for a big bodied proven premiership player who would greatly assist Mitch Clark for a couple of years!! Oh I forgot we already have this type of player in spades!!

Yep don't mind trhat trade at all....

Robby played at 17 Watson at 15 surely if good enough........

This is absolute lunacy, and IF confirmed as in above info from Jonesbag and in link to another thread "Is your support of MFC unconditional"? Not if this trade ensues! What is going on?

Very Harsh dee old , given our superb prior ability to develop players, I would expect these two to become absolute champions! show some faith man!

Jack Viney A man for all seasons it seems Summer: Ivor Warne Smith/Checker Hughes Autumn: Ron Barassi Winter: Norm Smith Spring: Robert Flower Pick whilst still fresh and in harvest!! Methinks Fence!

Why do I have an uneasy feeling about this?? Gee I really hope we end speculation and just take him at our first opportunity!

Re Juice yes you are correct total ACL but amazingly apparently he did it and keep playing on.! Pity because the way he had been playing he was a realistic chance to have been picked up again for AFL if my mail is/ was correct! Several clubs were monitoring closely!

I'll say it now this club needs to act as decisively as it has NEVER done before. If we lose out on getting Viney by playing smoke screens and mirrors, It will have huge repercussions for a long long time I have seen this kid play and Boy do I like what I see. I can see a conflict of interest here and Todd Viney is at the crux of it. IMO it is HIS call as head of recruiting and if he calls out his son at Number 2 I will be very happy and if not why not ! This is almost nepotism in reverse!! In my opinion he is almost in a no win situation here. I almost reckon he should publically come out and declare that he will have no input into this decision because of family pressure. Time will tell and I hope this doesn't end up biting us on the Rump!! Think combo Of Sellwood, Scott Thompson and Dane Swan and you end up with.... Jack Viney take him at earlist chance or the devil take the hindmost!

To slow and skills not up to it. Who could forget his hopelessly inept effort in being 30 metres out from goal on a set shot and ... failing to make the distance! Yes hard as nails but in this quickening game lack of pace and skills are telling! A poor man's Valenti and look where he is now!

Stefan Martin was/ is a developing key position back, a useful backup ruckman and a pathetically inept forward! If any mismanagement took place it was the brainiac that thought versatility is the be all and end all of all player development and as a result this situation ensued! IMO I reckon we tampered too much and now find ourselves trying to manage our own ineptitude to develop players. Stef Martin should by now have developed into a really good centre half back but alas he is tradebait. Pity for all concerned!

Rivers is much much better than Garland and light years ahead of McDonald, who still is not a bad player. Let me put it this way Rivers on song makes it look easy a lot like Matt Scarlett ,which is why I can see Geelong are into him big time, what concerns me though is, in pursuit of other's we neglect our own! Riv our Garry Hardeman of the new age> Let go at your peril !! Keeper absolutely!

I'll say it again pick 13 and Martin for Dawes and Wellingham!! Do the deal??

Collingwood are not that stupid BUT if so quick before they change their minds throw in Martin and there you have it!

Ive seen enough to suggest that at no 3 he is overs BUT he is certainly top 10. Therefore to pay slightly overs for him would not faze me one little bit. He is grunt personified a more polished version of Chunky Jones and has massive upside Just think of him as a at this stage a developing combo of Mc Veigh, Thompson, and Swan and you might get the idea of what we have the opportunity of securing this type which we desperately need! A must in my book!

I always thought Peter a good player, his brother Glenn was.... ahem less so! Don't you think they would be a little past it by now?

I wouldn't .....Id take Dawes a proven "Grunt target Forward" over a spare parts ruck, a better defender and a hopeless forward Martin anyday! If IF that is the possible scenario! Don't let Dawes bad season fool you, he opens up play, can take a pack mark, is a target and would take a serious defender away from Clark. Get at all costs!

No No No

Yep thats the way it seems!

We are looking more and more like "Lepers on Pluto" no one with any football pedigree wants to come to us. Getting Mitch Clark was a "Fluke" a tremendous fluke but remember he can't do it all himself!

I'll tell you what it tells me.. That we are light years away from anything Sydney are able to do. I'll give you some more reasons, Sydney oozes Class, Grunt, Poise and that word again "Culture" I'm glad you are sold on Neeld's footy philosophy because I for one am a long way from being sold!