Wizard of Koz

Goodbye "Dean Bailey era playing for draft picks" mentality. Hello "next Flag tilt"

Spot on. The James Jordan story has always been over played. Even when he was with us he was mostly ineffective. Talk of Grundy being AA few weeks ago was ridiculous also.

He is a good coach and has earned the right to pivot, regroup and go again. A few more angles and perspectives is whats needed. Maybe a shake up of the assistant coaches would be worth a go. Definitely list management is skewed. Is Chokko still raining magic? I have no idea but I hope all is looked at objectively.

Just as I presume most of the players would do if they could, I will put you on ignore. Great outcome!

Not quite sure what you are getting at. That is one example. Daw, Dunstan, Schache, Brown, Brown to name a few have been the depth players I am talking about. Sometimes it's ok to critically analyse the clubs list management choices. The predictable fury that you and WCW have whenever someone slightly questions the list, strategies or players output over the journey is nauseating. It's ok to love the club and still question its strategy and directions in a mature way. The Ben Brown argument is done to death. Yes he is an immortal and for that he will always be a legend of the club but it would be good if we can still discuss his overall output over the 4 years without the usual suspects throwing shallow guilt trip arguments around. WCW we all know how much you love the boys. I ask you kindly to step back and let others discuss the club and players at times without ramming your nose in it and being the holier than thou protector of all. It is shallow and a touch odd.

I am not comparing to Langdon. He deserves 4 years and is a fantastic player. Just the depth argument and not treading carefully when signing players to 4 years. Due diligence is always necessary even if it is for depth. Signing any player long term for future depth is fraught with danger and will almost always end up as we are now.

I will see your depth argument with a Schache and raise it with a Ben Brown

Smith was circa 83/4 and I was about 25 metres from it. That sound has never left my memory. Matthews was by far the nastiest POS to have played the game and he is not remembered for that by the majority unfortunately.

After an intense and draining style of footy over the 3 years preceding the players are physically wrecked and looked emotionally worn. If the team kicked straight last year every chance Goody is a 2 time flag coach. The lack of loyalty and trust in Goodwin is a bit galling. Max, Oliver, Viney, Petty all look 25% fit and no Trac and Salem. Brayshaw is a bigger loss than most of us probably thought. Thats the issue. Goodwin is a good coach, a premiership coach and more than deserves the opportunity to pivot and reset. List management is the issue. We have brought second hand duds in and somehow having Schace, Tomlinson, Fullerton and BBrown is a major liability. Thats the angle I would be looking at.

A few posters wanted Viney gone and Free Agent'ed to Geelong a few years back. Same goes for now with Clayton. He is top end MFC Royalty and needs to be treated like that. We need to stick strong with him. Not trade him out.

Random question, who was the better player? Matty Whelan or Neville Jetta?

I still can't believe Peter Matera signed a Heads of Agreement to play for us. He changed his mind a couple of days later but he was in his prime at the time. Would have been the best recruit of all time for us (until S.May) and he was W.A born and bred. So I am using that as hope. A 30 years ago "almost trade" from WC.

Lazy defensively. Yes for that 5-10% of his career at the Dees when he was on point, he was amazing. Other than that he definitely was never fit enough and didnt seemed to have the desire to become Trac, Viney or Clayton like in his pre season preparations.

This is our "Luke Jackson" pick down year.

And Dusty would have been handy before $cully or Trengove, who even at his fittest still looked a tad slow. The Dusty and Max draft would have been epic.

I may be on my own here but I thought we played quite well,

Thats sad. Vale

Am I jumping to conclusions by anticipating that this is another "Jimmy to Prahran and back" situation evolving front of our eyes.

This is or best recruit fro another club ever. For skills, toughness, leadership and for never playing a bad game. The man is an all timer. This gets lost. B. Lovett was vey good an J. White was super talented, deterined and successful. But, as the best recruit fro another club. Surely its a 1 horse field?

2 [censored] pts!

supermercado is my idol

87 was the best, unexpected. The VFL park members section was going off. Great night, great time to be a Dee.

David Williams seemed to always be taking marks on the boundary line where the % chance of a goal was lower. Quick off the mark and good hands. Got delisted due to ACL and after expecting to be re-drafted in pre season draft (1990 I think) and Richmond picked him up, we were not prepared. Photo in HS the next day was Williams looking sad and players, in particular Todd V, around him with huge smiles. An odd situation.

I think thats a bit weird isnt it? And he gave up chasing Langdon out of backline in the beautiful 4th quarter only to see Langdon mark and goal 20 seconds and 130 metres later. Still would be upgrade for us.