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I agree. I can see potential for Jackson being a Goodes/Blicsavs type player (not that Blicsavs is anywhere near Goodes as a player) that can player any position on the ground, regardless of if he turns into a full time ruckman. Even him as a Ruck/rover/forward/Wing/full back if need be, he will only get more powerful as his body develops and there’s nobody of his size that will out run or manoeuvre him in a couple of years. The kid could be anything.

If you watch the Oliver goal in the 3rd, Jacksons clean pick up and hand ball whilst almost running as fast as Oliver (Jackson isn’t sprinting at full pace) is crazy. He could be an Adam Goodes type player but more athletic and a much better ruckman, I honestly believe that. Some of the players say that at training, the things he can do athletically shouldn’t be possible for a guy of his size. And he’s probably 5 years off his absolute prime as a player. We could be on the eve of having one of the best midfield trio’s ever, if we can keep him and Oliver with Petracca.

You can hear the grief in his voice. He’s guttered. After our premiership dynasty is over, I’d love for the Saints to win one… then Carlton will be the club with the longest premiership drought. I know a few Carlton fans that deserve to have that mantle and I’m just the person to remind them of that anytime we talk footy, haha. Payback!

It’s conceivable that by the end of Scott’s 3 years, Geelong will have no: Hawkins Selwood Danger Stanley Smith Thouy Blicsavs (will be 34) Rohan (will be 33) Duncan (will be 33) Menegola (will be 33) Besides Stanley and Rohan (allergic to finals)… these are superstars or just out and out guns. Even Tom Stewart and Cameron will be 32 by the 2025 season. I don’t see how they’re not going to fall off a cliff.

Yeah I guess this is what I mean. I’m not saying that some friendly put downs to co-workers/oppo fans is out of bounds at all! But at games especially, there is a line between what you’ve pointed out of being proud/happy/supportive with how your team is doing is different than being belligerent/agro/constantly negative about opposition teams. Some of the worst games I’ve been too has been with Essendon/Hawks/Collingwood supporters in their prime and it just created a really negative atmosphere. Hyper aggressive. Which I guess I don’t want to emulate if the Dees have prolonged success. Sure some of them deserve it, but there’s also people that just want to go and watch their team play that aren’t [censored], so to create that negative atmosphere doesn’t sit right with me.

We don’t need followers in the senior team. What have our midfield down for us this year anyway?

Geez, that is not a ringing endorsement of how he feels he was treated at St. Kilda. Can’t really extrapolate out to a broader culture as he might only feel this way because he is on the outer but boy… that’s a slap on St. Kilda’s man management.

Not sure if it’s just a Dees thing considering we’ve been down for so long, but I always hated it when opposition fans became really arrogant and lose any semblance of being humble (not saying anyone of us are arrogant or anything!). When I’ve seen it, I’ve thought to myself not carry on like that as in general I just don’t really like it I guess. You can be proud of your club sure, but the blind arrogance thing just irks me. I guess the people I know that are humble and just *know* they’re team is good, have much more weight when they do out the boots in to someone, rather than someone who’s constantly banging on about how good their team is and how [censored] others teams are. Is it a right of passage to be arrogant if your team is successful? Or is there a good way to carry yourself? Genuinely want to know how people are reacting to the flag win?!

When someone does a good job at work, I say ‘that’s Maxy worthy that is’ Hopefully it will stick as a saying!

I reckon we need a poll on this!!! Mine has already been mentioned but it was Brayshaws goal to put us ahead. I think his running back and marking it leaving himself completely open to get a serious injury (even legally as Daniel had every right to go for the ball if he had been 1 second quicker to the contest) was the point where I knew we were going to win it. They were prepared to do anything and that mark required pure guts. Putting it straight through the middle like that, at that time of the game, to put is in front, pumped up the boys so much I felt. Hence the crazy last 38 seconds of the 3rd.

I looked at this too! 2 of the goals were set shots with the players taking the full 30 seconds (especially BBrown) if I recall correctly (might need to double check actually… so many goals!). So, taking out the run ups (which, yes nobody really does) we scored 3 goals in under 40 seconds twice, in the same quarter, in a Grand Final. I still can’t really believe that happened!

This is one of the most surreal moments I’ve ever had. This team is something else!!!! Angus Brayshaw got us back in that game. He is an absolute legend of the club!!!!!

I reckon I’ve run through every scenario of the game in my head this week. Especially this first 10 minutes… ‘what happens if this player goes down early?’… ‘how good would it be if this happened?’… what if they score the opening 5 goals??’…. ‘WHAT IF WE SCORE THE OPENING 5 GOALS????’ Even against Geelong, I wasn’t relaxed until about 10 minutes from the end of the game. This is going to be a whole other level!! We have a much better backline and as a team, more options overall. I truly believe we’ve got this. Just need to be ready to take it.

Hey demonlanders! I’m not sure if this has been addressed in another topic so please delete if so. Our forward connection now looks pretty darn good. Especially comparing it previous years. From what I can see, having Spargo and Kozzie being such a threat, Fritsch being able to always create space and Ben Brown and TMAC if not marking it, consciously making sure they get one hand to a contest to get the ball in the right drop zone, has meant we now have defenders that can’t double team as much and also makes them play closer to their man. Fritsch now looks like he is constantly having more space to lead into because teams can’t afford their defenders to drop off their man. Is it Spargo and Kozzie alone that have allowed this connection to prove more fruitful with goals?? Was that what has been missing?

The only thing I worry about in this game is that GWS were SOFT on Geelong. They didn’t play hard at all and it didn’t really feel like a finals game. Lots of space given and not a heap of pressure. But. Geelong looked like they could be broken if the game was brought to them (which GWS just couldn’t do). I don’t think they’ll be able to handle the pressure of our forwards and backline and how hard our mids can attack the ball. It’s just a question of us being hard right from the outset. We bullied them in 18’ with essentially this team. They’re older and slower than 3 years ago and we just have to play our game, make sure our pressure it up and for the love of god, make sure they’re bombing into their forward line without precision passes. We got this Dees!

Why do you say Malthouse is a dog?? I’ve heard people say this about him before but I don’t think I’ve heard any stories to go along with it. Why is he disliked?

Ok, I disagree. I don’t think it’s a fruitless discussion and I don’t think it’s off topic. If other people also think I’m being over the top then genuinely let me know and I’ll stick to footy.

Cool. All I ever asked was for you to substantiate your claims against your own words.

See? You’ve pivoted away from my question again (which directly related to your previous answers) I asked you ‘what is the content of the abuse that is generally aimed at umpires that you disagree with? As in, is their abuse about the class of people they are in the society? Or is it based upon their actions as umpires?’ You ignored the characterisation of the abuse part of the question and then stated: All of it. You then went on to talk about stats of the game which was bizarre. So you’re argument is then that any abuse that an umpire receives is as bad as racial abuse. Which is as ridiculous and obscene as it sounds. —————————————————————————— You also said that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable given it’s about ‘actual words said and the context… short answer no.’ You’ve then stated that the ‘gap’ between umpire abuse and racial abuse is ‘too large’ Again, the implication of this answer is that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable. ———————————————————————— Above, you’ve clearly stated that ‘Abuse is abuse’ Yet again, you are implying that umpire abuse and racial abuse are on a comparative level. ———————————————————————— I can’t reflect your own words back to you again. You clearly see umpire abuse and racial abuse as comparable given the ‘context’ and the ‘actual words’. ———————————————————————— So again, for the 3rd time, the short answer you speak of and this ‘gap’… Tell me directly: How in any way is umpire abuse comparable to racial abuse? Give me the words and context that have happened to prove your point.

Ok, if myself and Macca were equating the two issues then I would agree. This is not what’s happening. Macca is equating the two issues. I am making him substantiate his claims which I already know full well that he can’t and that the comparison is ridiculous and obscene in and of itself. It’s worth people seeing this as again, these kinds of comparisons are used to diminish the gravity of racism. I’m showing how ludicrous these comparisons are.

You have completely dodged the main question I have asked. You have brought umpire abuse into a discussion about racial abuse and by implication you are saying that they are comparable. You’ve then said that the ‘gap’ between racial abuse and umpire abuse is ‘too far’ I’ve then asked you to substantiate why my points that umpire abuse and racial abuse are too far apart and what is the content of the abuse that umpires get… and you’ve answered with stats about the game and given answers to questions I didn’t ask. So I’ll ask again: How is abusing an umpire in any way, the same weight of insulting or racially abusing an indigenous person? Just answer this question directly please.

If the Moderators se fit to stop this thread then that’s fine. I am asking legitimate questions which are very much on topic and speaking for myself, I am not getting pulled away into other topics. The question of comparing abuse (I.e. racial or against umpires) which I am challenging directly, is absolutely pertinent to the discussion of racism as it’s a tactic to downplay the effects of racial abuse whether people know it or not. You are not the arbiter of what is acceptable to discuss here and you don’t need to keep reading this thread.

I have the same opinion that you do. I’m trying to understand where @Macca is coming from and asking for him to substantiate the positions he has. If he sees umpire abuse and racial abuse as anywhere near comparible, then I would like an explanation as to how. If we want to actually discuss racism, then these are the claims that need to be challenged and understood in my opinion. I’m glad it’s gotten to this stage where other peoples views are being brought into and we can discuss and formulate reasoned discussion about comparisons. It’s the only way we learn and it isn’t pretty.

Respectfully, this is very much on topic. We are getting to the stage of disassembling the abuse that umpires receive vs indigenous people. A part of playing down the severity of racial abuse is saying ‘yes but there are other kinds of abusive behaviours that occur which isn’t good’. When people try and compare different kinds of abuse with each other for the sake of equating them, then I think it’s useful to have discussions which prove it otherwise.

Ok cool then we partially agree. So what is the content of the abuse that is generally aimed at umpires that you disagree with? As in, is the abuse about their identity as a class of people in this society? Or is it aimed at them personally as people because of their actions as umpires?