Ollie fan

For once, Cranky, I agree with you. I don't understand how you can say this and consistently bag Goody - but for Brayshaw we would have won that flag, despite 3/4 of our forward line being injured. That is because of his overall good coaching (and yes, I do think he made a mistake by not activating Schache against Carlton, but we all make mistakes). PS against Carlton, I believe the worst mistake was Lever kicking the ball down the line to a contest with 25 seconds to go (or whatever it was) instead of kicking it to Rivers and wasting 10-15 seconds by waxing it between them.

The word "support" is the key. I have no doubt you barrack for the Dees.

Just look in the mirror.

You are not a supporter. I have never seen you do a supportive post.

Yes. Read any of Cranky Frankly's posts.

I thought there was a bit of flair and dare in eg our first quarter against GWS. In broader terms, I think we tend to rely on contest and defence for the first half or so and then, having weakened the opposition, we open up the game to our advantage. Of course, it hasn't worked that way this year, for many reasons including injuries, a depleted list, and an attempt to change the game plan.

I quite like listening to Kane Cornes, but whatever he says is usually headline – grabbing rubbish. This article is such recycled nonsense, nothing that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam on this website. He doesn't even mention, in terms of our "ageing list" the number of young players that we have blooded recently. He clearly wants us to get rid of Clayton Oliver – I wonder if he wants Port to pick him up?

Who is delusional? We are not "sinking": this year is gone - but he knows he can't say that. And I don't blame him for the bad year either, as I have made clear on many threads. I think it is good that he is not rushing the development of a young key forward.

It will, because it is rubbish. Cranky has run this line in a dozen different threads and each time he gets asked to say what should have been done he leaves the thread and starts again in another. His whole premise is wrong and he is just a whinger.

One of the more gratuitously nasty things that i have seen on Demonland.

Exactly. It's 3 years ago now, but on the best day ever the commentators were praising Bont to the skies- then Clarry went on to him, Bont was not heard from again, while we all know what Clarry did. As for our list, it is not built for a far run and carry game. Even Trac, absolute champion that he is, does not have the necessary disposal skills and as for Clarry and JV7, well, they are champions for other reasons. But our game plan is fine. Other teams play their way, we play our way. The way everyone carries on as if we were hopeless last year when we came SOOOOO close despite a ridiculous number of injuries to our forwards - well, as far as I am concerned, our game plan stacks up. This year injuries have done us again. Time and again posters talk about our lack of depth. Don't they realise that playing the WHOLE year 3 players down from our allowed amount - Gus Smith and Spargo - means that the depth we should have had at Casey is now in our firsts - players like Woey, Howes, AMW, Tholstrup .... We have the depth; it's just that we have had to call on it.

It must have been. After all, letting him go is the major reason we are not doing so well this year......

The love that JJ gets from some posters on DLand makes me wonder about myself : was I watching a potential Brownlow medallist and not knowing it? Actually, no I wasn't. As for Tomlinson: he got a chance and took it. What's wrong with that? Then injury cruelled him. He always tries.

Geelong should be playing rugby - they throw the ball all the time - never called.

This is a great post

Mitchell is a good coach but now that people are noticing Hawthorn, they will get figured out very quickly. Longmire is a great coach - but let's see how Sydney goes now that they have a few injuries. I suspect they will provide clear proof of why we went out in straight sets last year: injuries will kill any club. In fact, to loss the two finals by less than a goal each, one to the eventual premier, was actually a real feather in Goody's cap. Fagan has an unbelievable list, a huge home ground advantage, and still hasn't won a premiership. Longmuir has a great great midfield but is still unproven. Bevo also has a great list which is doing well now, but let's wait and see. We have been two players down from our first 22 since before the season started. That not only is a big loss, but it limits our depth, and our capacity to manage players. Clarry is still at 50% at best. We have now lost our best player for the remainder of the season. The fact that we got within a goal of Brisbane up there, and two points from flag fancy GWS, is another tribute to how Goody gets the absolute best out of what he has. As for tactics: he changed the way the whole league plays with his whole-team defence and his use of wingers and high half-forwards. Last year there was a huge chorus of people saying out success was all due to Yze. Sure, he was handed a disaster, but has he really shown that he was the brains behind our success? Lose Goody at our peril.

It's been clear for weeks that our season is shot. Losing Trac was a step too far. I don't blame Goody at all. I know everyone is going to be calling for his head but he has not had enough good players -simple. No Gus, Smith out, Trac gone now, Oliver at 50%, Petty well below par following his foot injury, Brown has gone on too long..... what Goody HAS done is bring in new players, and that sets us up for a real crack next year. Yes, get the surgeries done now.

If you rotated ruckmen from the bench, you are immediately playing with half a man down as the general rotations require all four bench sports to be rotated. Not to mention that both men play best when they are on the field for long periods. Blind Freddy would realise that. You couldn't have both Jordon and Bedford as taggers - you need to have creative players; yes, have a tagger but you should only have one. So keeping them both is not realistic. Maybe this year we could have used one or other of them as a tagger but last year, it wasn't necessary or appropriate - don't forget (well, Cranky, you will forget, or perhaps you will use this as another opportunity to bag anyone and everyone) that until we lost 90% of our forward line due to injury, we were a top four team that even after losing those players, lost two finals by less than a goal each, including to the eventual premier. There was no scope or reason to play either of them as a tagger given the success we were having. That is why they weren't played and looked for opportunity elsewhere. But perhaps Goody should have realised that we would lose one player for ever and one player due to off-field misbehaviour; that Clarry would for many reasons including a severe hand injury be far less effective than usual and that Trac would suffer life-threatening injuries. How he didn't foresee all that is beyond me and deserving of severe criticism. (I know you are not smart enough to realise it so I'll spell it out for you: the last sentence was IRONY).

I think that's right. Really, our season is shot. We were in trouble from when our list was reduced by two players without replacement before the season even began, and by losing Trac - an absolute key - from mid season. Syndesmosis can be nasty. Let's get him - and the rest of the team - right for next year.

Arguing your case!!!! Arguing your case!!!!???? We have asked you several times to tell us what we should have done, not just what you think we did wrong. You consistently dodged that question. Don't talk about "arguing your case"!! And as for your personal shots about people like me being happy with these "dud trades": I am VERY happy that after decades of supporting - yes, Cranky, supporting not carping - I have of recent years been able to go to the games - yes, I do go - and almost always see a competitive and committed team with a good chance of winning. I am VERY happy about that.

Precisely. But Demonsterative, he won't. It's easier to just criticise.

Great. Completely ignoring my request that you actually suggest what we should have done, but just returning to your absolutely mindless c..p bagging everyone in sight. Well done.

If you really think that we have had the money and contract availability to attract a topline trade, tell us the facts and figures. Instead of this CONSTANT carping. Where in your posts is there one line of SUPPORT for the club, or its staff, or its players. You are a classic example of, with friends like this, who needs enemies. One problem the club does have is that we don't have a lot of contract space because the coaches - who you also consistently revile - manage to get our good players to commit to the club long-term. I can't imagine why, given that our coaches, like our staff and our players, are no good (according to you).

Hear hear

My comment was directed at your constant carping, this time in a totally unrelated thread. However: would Meek have been happy to come to Casey? (Because that is all we can promise a backup ruckman). Ginnivan apparently played a great game last week but in general terms I don't see him replacing either Kossie (who is far more brilliant) or Chandler (who is far more disciplined in the role he plays). I certainly can't comment on what we had to offer ANY potential trade player in terms of money, contract length, an almost guaranteed place in the team etc etc etc