Lord Nev

So, Goodwin's failed game plan has been replaced by Goodwin making the players doubt themselves and it's compounded by Goodwin not picking a consistent lineup, but we're relying on these issues to "resolve themselves"? Also, are we saying that in the 2 chances Goodwin and the leaders had to address the players while Carlton had the momentum that they didn't recognize this need to adapt? That's not very convincing of the ability to 'rectify' going forward. I'm not in the sack Goody camp, yet, but this sounds like a bit of a let off for him. He makes the decisions, he deserves the heat at the moment.

Agreed. (Barring a complete disaster this year)

Unless it's as head coach...

Agree mate, but heard Malcolm Blight talking the other day about how Chaplin had told him the Dees had spent the summer settling Weid into the role of forward/ruck, so you can pretty much lock it in that if he comes in he'll be the Gawn backup.

I'm no huge ANB fan, but if they review that game honestly and decide to drop ANB ahead of both Jones and Melksham then I'm officially on the sack Goodwin train as it's clear he's not the 'win, no matter what' coach we need to be successful.

Perhaps. I don't know about his feelings on his exit from the club but am aware a few other players from that era have bad memories of theirs. But can 100% guarantee you that near the end of last season he was very excited and hopeful about the possibility of coming back to the Dees as a coach. Definitely wanted it to happen, tried to make it happen, but as mentioned previously, other factors came into play and at this stage it was better professionally to stay at Hawthorn (and they weren't shy about playing hardball).

Rubbish. I know for an actual fact he loves the club as much as ever and was very keen and excited about the possibility of an opportunity with MFC late last year. Hawks played hard ball in the end and he felt it was better professionally to stay.

Oh yeah, to be clear, my original changes in this thread were: OUT: Jackson, Smith, Jones IN: Weid, OMac, Kozzy But I was adding in Brown for TMac on top after reading the scratch match report.

Ah yep, that's fair, although not sure TMac has done much since becoming the first forward. Just like what I read from Egan about Brown making the forward line function well. Can't see us rolling with 3 talls in the current format, so I guess I'm just asking if we think Brown and Weid is a potentially better combo than TMac and Jackson?

I know it's only a scratch match, but after reading the report from the club what about Weid and Brown in for Jackson and TMac?

Sore quad it was apparently. Makes more sense why he missed now. https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/706162/the-reserves-practice-match-all-17-players-reviewed

But do you pick a side on 'upside' or do you base it on form, contribution and effort? I reckon I know what most successful sides would do.

5 goals (out of 8 in total) and 8 score involvements between them. Don't think so mate.

Not saying he's completely safe, but for a team with noted forward 50 deficiencies, note these stats: ANB - 2 goals. 4 inside 50s. 5 score involvements. 1 tackle inside 50. 1 mark inside 50. 9 disposals. Jones - 0 goals. 2 inside 50s. 0 score involvements. 0 tackles inside 50. 0 marks inside 50. 11 disposals. Melksham - 0 goals. 3 inside 50s. 2 score involvements. 1 tackle inside 50. 0 marks inside 50. 10 disposals. Even if you want to argue about Melksham and Jones playing up the ground more, ANB still had more inside 50s and basically the same amount of disposals. Seems to me that most saying ANB will come out without a doubt might be a little biased.

Look, you seem like a reasonably sharp poster, I'm not sure why so many of your posts are these kinds of snarky comments. Why not discuss the actual point? If you have a contrary view based on evidence I've got an open mind about things and would be interested to hear it.

All the footage we've seen from 'behind closed doors', including the stuff in To Hell And Back clearly paints the picture that Goody is just as uninspiring when speaking to the players as he is with the media.

Not saying he'll get fired, really don't think it will happen this year (barring absolute capitulation), BUT we're all talking about the financial aspect without perhaps knowing if covid-19 may affect that? He's already on a pretty reduced amount now, that's on record, so would that mean his payout would be reduced also? Would there even be some other kind of condition in the contract about extreme circumstances? The AFLPA are about to renegotiate their CBA, so there's pay cuts going on everywhere already. Genuine questions, don't know the answers, but is there a possibility that paying out a coach this year has about the same impact as it would any other year?

Just think it's strange to say the problem is cohesion, but it's not the coach's fault when he not only picks the team, but is in charge of them every day. Giving Goodwin a massive get out of jail free if we're saying the way the team plays isn't his responsibility.

Didn't say we should stand still, just said I don't agree that we've had a "mini rebuild".

I'm not sure I agree with "mini rebuild", but even so, why would we be having a mini rebuild after he's been there 5 years already? And I'm not sure having a couple of months of not training in big groups is enough of a reason for us not fixing the recurring problems we've had under Goodwin in the last 4 years that he's been in charge. I don't think he'll go this year unless things go as badly as last year, purely for financial reasons, but I think he's had more than enough power for more than enough time to start being judged.

You weren't alone....

Just guessing, but possibly the difference between an innocent mistake and leading someone else to make a mistake?

"Spargo was invited by a friend to a house last week and asked Pickett to come along. The AFL investigators agreed with the club that Spargo's punishment should be greater than Pickett's, given he was both the senior player and the one who asked Pickett to come with him. The club became aware of the matter this week but it wasn't because the players came forward. Once Melbourne officials became aware of the situation, they contacted the AFL." Two Demons suspended for breaking AFL's COVID-19 protocols

When is it Goodwin's fault then? Sure, some new players, but he selected them. I get what you're saying, and I don't put it all on Goodwin, but I didn't see any leaders out there today pull the boys up when it started falling apart, or set an example with what they did, or yell at players to run to make options, shepherd etc. I mean, they couldn't even organize singing the song properly at the end.

Turned 24 a couple of months ago, still a ways off 100 games. Not even a seasons worth with us yet. Reckon there's a fair few going a little too early here.