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Not totally sure that's a critique we should be throwing around tbh...

I'm sensing some kind of pattern here....

If anyone at Casey today? Starting to see SSP signings happen now so would be interested if there's any clues to that with us.

There's more to Pell's history though than that one court case. You'd be aware of that though I'm sure.

What's the difference from when it was Gawn and Jackson?

It's there, it's under the "Teams" tab.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Howes play games early in the year (on the wing).

Agree mate. Disagreements on reasons aside, let's hope we learned whatever we needed to and get another flag this year. Gotta make the most of the window we're in.

No I haven't. There's a difference between looking back at things in hindsight and seeing likely mistakes to saying any of us nuffies know better than the experienced professionals.

Guessing on this, but if he's asthmatic then due to the sudden temp change/storm last night it's close to the 'asthma storm' conditions they talk about so might have just been more prone to it.

I don't think anyone has said they know better than the footy dept, but if you're happy with us falling apart as the year went on and getting bundled out in straight sets than you had lower expectations for 2022 than me. So? Hunt is gone too but we still played him. That's the point. You said only Bedford and Chandler were pushing for selection, that seems incorrect given the facts on who was listed in the emergencies, who was being talked about by the coaches and the fact Howes was inline to play the week he got injured. Disagree. You seem to be one of the very very few here who think there were no issues with our management and selection last year. For mine, the fact we fell apart in the later part of the year was due to those factors. From my perspective, the issue was about managing our sore and injured players and perhaps trying to 'do a 2021' with the management when our injury situation and preparation were different to the previous year. It's not about blooding young players or bringing in someone who's banging the door down, it's about using the depth on your list to sufficiently fulfill our role based system in a way that allows our best players to perform at their capacity for more of the year and at key times. Now that seems to be where we disagree, which is fine, but again, given how our year played out I find it strange you can be so firm with your "you are both wrong".

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But we didn't need 'walk up starts' or player to 'make a huge difference' we just needed good enough role players to allow us to manage injured players and compliment our 'difference makers' in players like Petracca, Oliver, May etc etc.. Exactly. We had depth there that would have allowed us to manage players better. That doesn't seem correct. Howes was in line to debut before being unlucky with injury (I believe Richo confirmed this at one stage), JVR was obviously extremely close to selection given Goody talked about it, Laurie would have been around the mark as would have a few others given they were emergencies a few times if I recall correctly. He didn't need to come in and tear a game apart, he was just needed to come in and play a role given TMac was injured, Jackson was sore and out of form and Brown was on one leg, if that, and just nowhere near it. We already have the core talent, I don't understand why there seems to be this angle of having young/VFL players come in and 'make a huge difference'. Find it strange you seem to be labeling all these as correct decisions when we fell apart at the end of the year and went out in straight sets.

Like what? What would you suggest is more likely the reason?

Buckley's now giving out salary cap advice...

No one has suggested that, and most aren't talking about changing the team in the finals, more about gradually managing during the year. Gawn, Salem, Lever, Jackson, Brown and more clearly weren't right during the year. Literally no one has said drop them all for finals and bring in Dunstan and Baker. During the season however, it's pretty obvious it would have served us better to have gotten Brown right, bring in JVR or Weid really we would have not lost anything given how hampered and out of form Brown was. Rotate the rest through for rests, that's the whole point in having more than 22 players on the list. Take out one of Gawn or Jackson and bring in Weid, take out Lever and bring in Tomlinson (or Turner pre-injury), Bowey for Salem etc etc, there were so many options there that could have meant more rotation of players. I mean, if we weren't playing banged up players then what's the reason for our season falling in a heap? Yes, the whole 'Goody's faves' thing gets overdone, and not a season goes by without selection whinges from Demonland, but the management of the players and failure to rotate them when we had the chance is so obviously the reason for our failure in finals and I hope lessons have been learned and the balance is better this year if we go through a similar situation.

They also said they had him down for a 'unique midfield role'.

My question is - What happened at training today?

Just a thought - Maybe he won't be played as a forward anymore...

See above.

Nowhere did I say I expect him to be 'stuck at Casey'. All I said was he would need to prove himself and earn a spot in the 22 with a ripper preseason and isn't a walk up start. Do you disagree?

I have reasonably high hopes for him, but giving up a future 3rd rounder for him would tell you he's absolutely no lock to walk into a top 4 team's lineup without having a ripper preseason.

Absolutely, the whole thing is a delicate balance hey? It can't be a set in stone rule I don't think, but does feel like we pushed too hard to one side last year. The contrast being the year before we didn't really 'manage' players and steamrolled through, just goes to show they perhaps need to be a little more flexible with the parts to the plan IMO. And to be clear, I'm in no way a fan of resting numerous players per game or doing it all at once, but I definitely think we could have managed players like Gawn, Jackson, Lever, Brown and Salem better last year and perhaps rotated them through 1 at a time with a week or two off when it would have been beneficial. Aside from the benefits of getting those key mature players a bit more cherry ripe, there's also that little energy bump you see sometimes when a new young player comes in for a game.

Geelong started the process mid-season, there is absolutely no reason we couldn't have started to manage payers when we were 10-1.

But he hasn't changed opinions... that's the point.