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While I understand the Hogan clearance issue for the Club I still look at Jesse and how much better our forward line would be now with him as spearhead. I don’t fancy seeing Clarry in another Guernsey helping them up Finals whilst out mids sort out their level in our midfield of the future. Trading is a two way art and there teams with mids who shouldn’t even be alliwed to do up Clarry’s bootlaces. It is a panic measure to clear Clarry based on 2024 form just the same as Harry Petty. Those D/Landers that wanted to clear Trac at the end of 2019 were just the sort of impatient fans that don’t understand sport or the AFL and the same is playing out now. Don’t think we will see either Clarry or Petts and it may have something to do with their very early intro to this season and their not in great form consistently in 2024. But a full pre season can change things around dramatically. If that happens our team already looks 4/5 goals better.

Ross Lyon sorted out the Saints famously about 15 years ago. Just dropped some struggling stars and woa a huge lift in form permanently, Msybe this is necessary. Our Coach has never been good with Any thing resembling a Plan B or C. Fighting off a tag. Put the player where he has to play footy not the man In the goal square Have Clarry lead out from the square for a period. 2/3 goals will disrupt that scheme, where are the other players to help Clarry?? Gawny has the same problem at times. Put Fritta at half back for 10 mins. Change the thinking or on the ball. It’s all about making it not what your opponent is comfortable with. Change it up. One other thing Who/ What is our leadership group? Gawny JV and ??? About time there is a concerted effort to lead and lift our aspirations and performance and determination. Our mojo is missing and there is something “ rotting in the state of Naarm”. It needs to be eradicated. Too many of our goods/ greats of 2021 are accepting mediocrity. This is no dynasty it’s becoming a travesty of large proportions growing by the Round. We are heading to the Lions Den and anything less than our very best will be punished on the scoreboard mercilessly. And I suspect that an urgent need for a change in coaching preparation and attitude is necessary. The players are playing scared as if the world is on their shoulders/heads. They need the vision and fun back into their game. Enjoyment not just artificially manufactured but genuinely evident with tackling team ethos and togetherness. Then all the skills are naturally approached and enjoyed and can be lauded together. Goody has 9 rounds to provide an answer as do some players. Some have gone from Champs to chumps letting their standards drop. Our toughness has disappeared also. And an encouraging word from Lady Pres might be just what the doctor ordered. Amazing but do you remember a certain ex Pres go IMO after that performance vs Port legitimately viral in 2020 and what happened a mere 15 months later. Otherwise it will go viral somehow between now and next season if it’s not addressed both on and off the field. The AFLW are also on notice after their sudden demise from grace last season. Have they removed some irons from the closet. Let’s see also in 2024. Sorry but at the moment we have a very similar vibe as before 2014 of no leadership and real unity plus the Spirit that has served is so well in recent times. I am open to opposing views of what’s wrong or what’s happening that has us in this trough of insignificance again. It’s not the time to let things run under the carpet. Get to work Dees and all hands dirty from Board down. It’s what Great Clubs have to do now and again. Reinvent in the run. But first you have to see the signs around you. And publicly they are ready to burst out any time if we keep going like now I feel. Go Dees.

Agree

His was close to another Schache debacle. Really Simon has just scraped in by his teeth in this one. Slow learner Simon imagine the ruckus if he didn’t use our sub AGAIN. Instant dismissal or resignation!! Gee his match day methods are archaic at times. Unbelievably negative and so disappointing just shows why he should have let Josh Shak Attack have his 15 mins in the sun. We might have won!!!!!

Absolutely let Ollie get positive in the forward line and feel good about himself. One out even. Goody has got to throw the directions imaginatively and unless he does this there is no way we will make the Top8. We have got to be aggressive to win and improve % as much as possible.

Agree HD it’s AMW time!!

That’s because for all the reasons so many say AMW does not deserve a place because he does this this and this wrong at half back it is easier to learn a HB role than HF. Surely he has the instincts of a HF also so give him a go where we badly need some oomph and goals. Some D/Lers want only ready made products to get a guernsey. We can’t wait nor should we as we will lose players if they are not debuted after some time. AMW has had a good block of games where he has Been easily the most possessions gained and deserves a shot. Chin is not playing well so Bowey could be given a HF chance and AMW debut at HB. We have got to be creative as clearly our 23 at the moment is well down on the strength needed for a Top4 spot. Too many players are below their best and the team aspect is very much needed if we are to succeed.

What???? Are you supposing ?

It is one thing to lose players but reasons are important and tricky in today’s AFL.

Every one of those possibly you have chosen are not given away or not had reasonably successful or good AFL careers. They appear past their best at the age we have recruited them. Grundy and Gawn are No 1 rucks Yes he is a good / very good ruck but not the great that Maxy is. Perhaps we should have been more patient but Maxy is only a No 1,ruck and Brody hasn’t the strings and bows to play second fiddle. Jordon is being managed better and that issue is consistent with Bedford who is like Woe and Laurie both the same in/ out /sub category which is wearing on such players careers etc. Harmes was a tagger so that also affected Jordon. He lost confidence and also faith I think. Goody is nothing but consistent with his ideas which don’t help players at times. Jacko is an unfortunate loss but like Craig Thompson to SA but all Clubs have to handle this in the AFL environment. You are correct up to a point but I also think that the VFL players replacing them are also a season away from their breakout to AFL. Some may still have to learn on the run if we don’t trade productively for next season.

A good forward line should be made up of different players. If Fritta is used by you only for drafting who are you looking forward replacement. To virtually throw the baby out with the bath water when he is thrr ER bleats of our problems. Is he supposed to kick 3 or 4 goals per week? An average of 2 or 2.5 is healthy and he rarely does not score. Did Tunbridge or Vagg ever get dropped for lack of physicality? No because the side played its part. Tweaks can be made but it’s like saying we lose Trac and or Maxy because of their poor goal kicking at times. Look at the goals not the tackles. That's the smaller types plus the crash and bash of JVR and Jeffo and possibly Kenterfield to contribute. Mss as the s bit of jumping into packs on opposition backs occasionally is allowed trying to mark of course.

No need to list Angus in that category. Delisted or retired would cover the two categorises quite nicely I believe.

Agreed Similar to JV playing in the past when shouldn’t have. Also remember the Practice match Joel Smith was returned and the consequences. Why has Chin not been rested or dropped? We need goals from our forwards as we acknowledge with Spargs fall from grace which brings up another injury anomaly. Why play on O Round and no Casey fitness g as me? Also Disco is in danger of being ruined for the same reason Much as I like his cameo up forward he really with Lever should have been a like for like. Isn’t that what he has trained and developed for 3?years??? Cameos forward during games are fine generally from much more mature and proven players to assist the team on the day.

My Mind immediately thought of the Cox deliberate act of the same magnitude. Trouble is it’s not illegal but it’s deliberate or careless and at times no duty of care.

Name names please Such generality is not assisting your argument.

I think it’s time to acknowledge that our troubles start from the centre of the ground at the bounce. Despite the AAA flavour of Gawn Viney Trac and Clarry we have been consistently losing clearances and ball retention there. I am staggered and amazed that the combined brains of this group of players are so bereft of footy smarts and knowledge that this has gone on for so long. Now who is the ruck and midfield coaches? Again the name Stafford rears its head. Not certain who has filled in for Ooze this year Is it Mini? Nevertheless Stafford again is in the frame for responsibility it would seem. It really looks like the bloke is a one trick pony. We have struggled with him as forward coach and now the midfield is blatantly underperforming for the team. Again no connection really for domination by our mids from our rucks. Yet Maxy has had a stellar AAA year but all the others have to be honest been patchy with Trac needing to be forward due to that other Stafford disaster for 3 years our forward line. Ultimate responsibility is of course is with Goody and another PlanA but no Plan B or C in the kitbag. 2021 is no longer relevant other than for our history and proud drought breaking performance over 25 weeks. And the associated lift in respect and Club fixturing and marketing and yes culture improvement. The undeniable is unfortunately that since that Entrecôte affair in June 2022 nothing elite has been done in results and our Club while not as much as the press would have it have struggled to be in a positive frame of mind consistently over this period. Amazingly the downfall has occurred after one of our best wins in our four years over the Cats even if their form has also disintegrated badly at the rate of knots. Neither us nor them look overly like causing huge damage in 2024 even if we limp ( or smash) our way into the 8 or unlikely top4. Even a year like this very even one is slipping away and our % is a disaster. How we approach this last half is much up to the Coaches and FD. But we have been making simple things complicated it seems and mixed messaging plus general unwanted tension in our team makes for an unhealthy existence. In 1987 1998 and 2000 we overcame poor form mid season but in 1965 and 1971 the die was cast and we performed without any spirit or confidence to miss Finals easily. Goody and Co now have to really earn their keep to save this year being wasted . It may also prove that our list and also our depth has been vastly overrated. Without Trac this is a great test for many of our lesser lights and also our leaders plus our ability to resolve and perhaps revive our strong brand with updated tweaks in a different time of the code. What would RDB or Norm Smith do to stop the rot.

Read my article, stand by it while all you say is he must reach xxx kg before we pick him. That’s not and never has worked. When he shows enough ability to deserve an AFL opportunity he will deserve it. He will be coping with heavier opponents but his skill marking and placement away from a key post will give him a chance.

Dazzle hasn’t read my post properly. Said he would be on a Third defender. Most others misread it as well.

I never suggested that.

Boy some people are quick to throw stones out of the Glasshouse . Give it 5 years to test for some one like DGoey Sticks and Stones with him, it’s only Names with Clarko. TT different of course. By the time you go back a decade at least and your ego driven Ex Pres with his issues plus Maynard’s thuggery you aren’t exactly out of the “woods “ just yet. Still doesn’t alter the fact that your fans are 75% feral so don’t go shouting out this soon.

Was b not over then you are incorrect in that statement. as one of our better informed D/L has posted the new evidence bought forward just before the season starting was the major blow with a review that also found that he should place his health as a priority. if you knew this then you should be running the country and coaching is at the same time sir.

Seems a fair comment and yes it’s weird one. is it Clarry? fitness issues selection of players through form or fitness.? Our players look out of sorts at the moment, Any thing else going on? Are any of our good insiders got any mail what’s going on if so please allude or hint if possible.? This result in a game has been coming since the Brisbane flop. Maybe WCW knows something ? Anyone got any goss? please tell or maybe thoughts?

Yes WCW. The funny thing I’ve never heard totally every one who has played under Clarkson that he is a good bloke. Good coach but not good bloke.

Look at the forwsRD LINE and OUR scores and you’re satisfied with Stafford, Really!!

Which mid would that be ? Pray tell.