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EJ Whitten's catch cry was "stick it up 'em".

It might be a football act (so is bumping and tackling) but it can still be reckless, careless and dangerous. Becoming a 90kg projectile of his own volition and then pretending to be "sweet and innocent" is an offensive insult. The tribunal not calling it a bump but something else, when in fact it was, is a legal and factual nonsense. The AFL not appealing is an abominationj for our great game of footy. Shame on them all. It is time to rise up and stick it up them. Where is EJ to act as our leader when we need him?

ITS NOT ANGUS'S FAULT. HE DID NOTHING WRONG. This discussion is only feeding the despicable views of the triibunal, the thugs and the scum.

Is Gleeson hopelessly conflicted in this proceeding? If he is the only legally trained member of the tribunal and if he acts like a judge by giving directions to the other tribunal members and then he sits in judgement on his own direction, how is this not an egregious breach of procedural fairness and natural justice? To a non-lawyer this seems to be grounds for an appeal against the tribunal and the decision. What do the lawyers say?

If he is replaced now it is already too late.

As I understand the process, should the thug be deservedly suspended for 4+ matches and seeks to appeal, then the appeal will be only on questions of law, not facts or opinions. So long as the AFL and the tribunal on Tuesday apply the correct legal procedures (procedural fairness including the correct wording of the charge) then the thug's anticipated suspension should be upheld on appeal. (OTOH should the tribunal fail to carry out its duty to our great game of footy, then the AFL will have to find a legal basis for its appeal to the appeal board). Let's all hope (and pray) that the lawyers get it right, the thug is suspended and there are no grounds for a successful appeal. Our Angus deserves nothing less than this.

This thread is becoming loopy. It's should not be about collision sports and concussion, it should not be about Brayshaw's history, it should not be about dumb comments by so-called self styled "experts" or "commentators". It should be only about what happened to Brayshaw in an unprovoked, deliberate act of unjustified violence against his body and head. The thug deliberately hurt him and no amount of excuses (he was only spoiling, Brayshaw could have avoided him) can mitigate the extreme brutality of the offence. He was off the ground and tucked his shoulder, purportedly to brace himself against a collision that he created, but in reality to hurt an opponent. What a farcical situation. I am starting to believe that unless he gets minimum four weeks (if not more) then our great game of footy is fatally doomed. It is that serious. GO DEES

It is possible to try to spoil a kick by jumping up straight and extending one's arms. It is not necessary for the spoiler to be moving forward while in the air and make no attempt to stop before a collision with the kicker. Attempting, or pretending, to spoil a kick does not relieve the spoiler from the requirement to exercise discretion and care to avoid casing injury to the kicker. In my opinion, based on watching replays, it was a deliberate act to attack the body of Brayshaw but it might not have been a deliberate act to hit the head. Still remains a careless, reckless and deliberate act of footy violence and catastrophic for Brayshaw. Malice, or absence of malice, does not enter into the consideration. Minimum four weeks or the tribunal, if it hasn't already, will lose all credibility. Remember, Kozzie got 2 weeks and the oppo player played on.

I reckon we left all our emotional energy at the Junction Oval on the Thursday night before the 1988 Grand Final. For those who were not there, training concluded, as always, with a bunched team lap of the oval led by Rodney "Balls" Grinter who always led the team off the training track. The cheers were as loud as in a match and we supporters, and the players, sucked it all in. The most emotional moment in over 30 years of demon worship to that date (and that includes the 64 GF). And then we played the unstoppable dorks. But we had rebuilt pride and confidence in our team. GO DEES.

Hair on top of his head not under. What meaning is there in that?

Depth cannot replace Oliver or Petracca or Fritsch or May or Lever or Viney or Gawn whose talents and contributions are monumental. Depth can ensure that we have well prepared and coached contributors but cannot maintain the high standard that we need. Without Fritsch, TMac, BBB and Petty no amount of depth could replace what they could contribute at their respective best and it showed against the dorks. Where we do have depth is across all lines where the backs and the midfielders dominance helped overcome the deficiencies in the forward line. The return of Fritsch and perhaps a fully fit TMac will make a big difference.

Hardeman is a genuine contender for best on a HBF. Frank Davis, premiership player and club captain, does not come close and Jetta was good for too short a time.

Rivers has one major advantage over Hunt - he can take contested intercept marks. In that he supports May and Lever in holding out the oppos. Jayden Hunt is the unlucky one who missed out on a flag due to a late season injury and could not get back in the team. His run and flair were always good to watch and we should wish him well even though he plays for the weagles.

Best coach - Norm Smith. There can be no argument. Best defender - any list of choices that does not include Brett Lovett is embarrassing and offensive. Ingerson, Yeats, Carroll, Dunn, Bowey, Rivers as all time best defenders - what were they thinking (or smoking)? Please withdraw this ridiculous competition.

Yes and no. No case: We have been competitive and in a winning position in all games and yet for the past few weeks we have been without Clarrie and our four proven KP goalkickers Fritsch, TMac, BBB and more recently Petty. Except Clarrie, none were available for the lolly blues game and it showed. Yes case: Even with the absentees, our definite strengths in the backline and midfield should have been enough to dispatch weaker teams with some comfort. That we haven't is not a good sign for the finals. Grundy adds not much, JVR cannot carry the whole load and the smalls cannot cover for the absentees.

His football experience is not what should be sought or a place on the commission. The commission needs ex players with both playing experience and administrative/management/director skills from their post playing years. For Danger, and the footy world, it is too soon and, as others have said, he would be too conflicted and totally inexperienced to fill a board type position. There must be plenty of former players who could fill a board position.

After Ray (?) Carr and Darren Cuthbertson I am always reluctant to proclaim a new full forward until there are more goals on the board. But he is promising and this is the time of the year for a new champion forward to announce himself. However, how refreshing it was to see Petty and JVR take marks in the forward line without having to compete with Gawn or Grundy (I know he was not playing). Its hard enough against the oppos without having to compete with your own team mates.

In 2020 they were trained to be stronger and fitter at the end of games and in the finals. Truncated game time and fewer matches adversely affected their potential strengths. That's why in 2021 they overpowered the oppos in the finals.

Unless the team has an intelligent and competent coach, having the best mids, ruck and defence counts for little. Coaching is all about bringing the talents together to succeed. BTW, Northey's 1987 and 88 success was based on recruiting for 87 Viney the Elder, Spalding, Dean, Lovett and the return of Lyon. Plus we still had Robbie. Swooper's great skill was in lifting the remaining players to match their standard.

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So what. Four seriously competitive games in each of the first two weeks of the finals where every score counts (remember % counts) plus four simultaneous games in the third week could potentially enhance the rights.

That's why my original suggestion of 1,4,7,10,13,16 / 2,5,8,11,14,17 / 3,6,9,12,15,18 is so much better. Every te4am has a chance to improve.

What interest do you expect from 15 v 16? My system retains the interest in all games as wins/losses and percentage count all the way to r 22 and the better performing teams play against all types of opponents.

Who? Let them join the VFL.

Gotta leave something for Andrew to do.