titan_uranus

OK. I'll bite. How, exactly?

And you think we could have done better?

The following players will not be offered a playing contract in 2013: Matthew Bate, Ricky Petterd, Jamie Bennell, Liam Jurrah, Lucas Cook, Jai Sheahan, Leigh Williams and Kelvin Lawrence. Everyone at the Club wishes them all the best for their future endeavors. Dees delist eight players

What did we just do? We got rid of players adding little to no value to the MFC, and gained players who are likely to add a heck of a lot more value. Morton, Moloney, Gysberts, Martin - none of them are best 22, none of them had good years in 2012, and none of them hold much value. To move them on is no loss, not individually, not as a collective. Rivers is a loss, but IMO one we can cover, and not one we had a great chance of preventing anyway. To ship those players out, and in return, bring in Viney, Hogan, Barry, Byrnes, Dawes, Pederson and Rodan, whilst still being able to go to the draft with pick 4, is a clear win for this club. All of the new players, bar Hogan (obviously) and possibly Barry, will play in Round 1. Rodan may prove to be a total flop, but at the price we paid, that doesn't matter, and I feel that he will bring as much to us off the field as he will on it. We win. A lot. And anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is just accustomed to hating on us. Spot on. I agree. I don't care what Morton or Gysberts (or Cook) were valued at in 2007/2009. I care about what they're valued at NOW. Right now, we got what those players are worth. Add Damian Barrett's 'I don't know what they've done, it seems a scattergun approach to me' line.

Some people are really just insanely stupid. To read someone's 'logic' as: 'Cale Morton was drafted at pick 4 in 2007. We have moved him on in 2012. I shall now end my membership of the club in disgrace' is just baffling.

Indeed. Unsurprising the Dogs have let him go, really.

No thanks. He's a dog.

You're an idiot.

This is the only trade I'm not happy with. Looking at where the other players who were traded went, Martin's value should have had more currency than 53. Having said that, it didn't seem he was adding anything to Neeld's plans so no loss, really.

Kinda bemused at the tone of many in this thread. Gysberts is nothing special. He's had 3 years on our list, and to be perfectly fair, frank and honest, hasn't gone anywhere since 2010. He's lightly framed, brings average skills, and couldn't get into the side all year. Losing him is no real loss at all.

No problem with this. Effectively a free gain. At his best he's a damaging mid. At his worst he's like every other mid we have. But he adds competition and a hardened body to the side. Could end up being a total fail, but so could the kid we take at 88, so who cares.

1) You once saw him play well? Well I once saw Brad Miller beat Barry Hall. 2) 'Could' be a valuable member? Wow. So could every single player on our list. 3) 'Should'? Indeed. He should be. He's had 8 years to be. He still isn't. 4) Same size as Pederson? Maybe. Even if so, he lacks what Pederson has: guts and talent. And he's had 8 years. Being in our top 5 players in the second half of 2012 is not only meaningless (and potentially wrong) given the opponents, it obscures the fact that the previous 18 months of his contract were just terrible.

Meanwhile Stefan Martin is dominating in our...oh wait.

This is what I was talking about: You were talking about comparing games out v games in. I (and others) said that matching the number of games up isn't really meaningful when most of the games which are going out were games of senior players who offered no leadership. The point being that even though we're bringing in players who have played fewer games, those games were at successful clubs and involved premierships and proper leadership. So it doesn't matter too much that we're losing more games.

But you're missing our point - what is the value in 'experience' if that 'experience' is just of being around during lots of losses and not doing sh*t about it? Whilst on a numbers game we've lost more games played than we've brought in, does that really matter? Not really.

Meanwhile what's the one thing we've bene sorely lacking, more than anything, over the last 6 years? Leadership. Not really. We have McDonald, Frawley and Garland (possibly Sellar/Pederson too) to take big forwards. Dunn is also crap at defending. I highly doubt opposition teams or players think 'oh, not Lynden Dunn again, gee he's annoying'. Also, if that's all he provides to the side, then he shouldn't be here. Also, he's crap.

Great post.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a spud.

I'm with Old. Bring Pederson in, then send Martin out, and use whatever we get for Martin to bring in a mid.

it seems that a big part of why we only got 49 is because Rivers and/or Moloney are on small contracts at their new clubs. This annoys me. We're being compensated. That word implies being restored to a position similar to where we were before we lost them. That requires an assessment of what we've lost, not what the other club has gained. What they're being paid at Geelong/Brisbane does not speak to what they were worth to us. It speaks to what they are worth to the other club, and the two aren't always the same. Rivers, IMO, was a key player in our defence. I'm sure we can live without him, but to equate him to a fourth round pick does not adequately reflect what we lost (and this is assuming Byrnes = Moloney). Anyway, I think it's all moot in the end, as 49 will probs be sent to NM for Pederson. We'll pick up another pick somewhere when we let Martin go too.

For once, your logic fails you. We haven't seen skill in a while, but we don't go harping on about how amazingly skilled our players are. I guess the only reason why people think Dunn is 'tough' is because they must be looking for something to hang their hat on about him. Or they don't actually watch him play, and then think he's better than he actually is. It's unfathomable, really.

I don't think he's worth 30, but I wouldn't be surprised if we can get 30 for him. Talls just seem to end up netting higher prices that sometimes many expect. Just a gut feeling.

THANK YOU.

Sounded like good news. Until I found it it's on Easter Sunday. In the early time slot. Right when many people are sitting down to lunch. Gutted. I love going to Round 1. It's typically one of the few games of the year where we're not behind in the win-loss ratio, we have new players/recruits/list/strategies, and there's genuine optimism. I'd have loved for us to open 2013 with Viney, Dawes, Byrnes et al to a sizeable group of our fans.

It's interesting. If Bate is unwanted by us, we don't deserve compensation, as we'd delist him anyway. Moreover, if we do delist him, they can't just sign him, he has to nominate for the draft, which he may not want to do, and hence would prefer to go via FA. Which should end up benefiting us. I like FA. More thinking.