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Looks like Caldwell and Cameron made it, but Treloar and Dunkley didn't.

Maybe the thread title needs to be changed to "Welcome to Demonland Picks 18 and 19"? We now have 18, 19, 28 and 50.

We've turned 25, 68 and 69 into 18 and 19, at a cost of having to slide back from our 2021 first rounder to Brisbane's 2021 second rounder. At worst, that's a slide back of 35 draft spots. At best that's a slide of 1 spot. We'll be backing ourselves in to do well next year but Brisbane will too, which means in all likelihood we're sliding back 10-20 spots next year. Is that worth it to get 18 and 19 in this year's draft? Maybe we have a plan to use 18 and 19.

Well there's reason number 412309 to not rely solely on what you read on Twitter.

Given we only have to use one pick at the ND, is it possible we're looking to send 25 and 28 for a first rounder?

So we give up 33 for Brown, sliding back two spots from 26 to 28 which barely matters, and we likely improve on our 2021 fourth round pick. I think we have to be happy with this. Now to see how it all actually plays out on the field.

Further info from The Age: The AFL have reduced the requirement that clubs take three selections at the draft to just one. Most clubs will make more than one pick but several clubs are considering adding one player from the total pool and then using the remaining points to put academy, father-son or NGA graduates on the list. The second change is that clubs will be able to take selections into the national draft as if the primary list is still at 40. This is important as clubs have had to take as many picks into the draft as they had list spots available but the uncertainty around list sizes left them concerned about what they could do this season. Some clubs also wanted to potentially trade picks on the night so having an extra number would increase liquidity into the system.

It's been covered and I don't think it's perplexing at all. Smith was a free agent. Phillips will cost draft picks. So, whilst we were interested in a winger if he could come without a cost, we're less interested in spending for one (bearing in mind Phillips is on decent coin and, whilst good, isn't amazing). That could well be because we've got an overarching strategy to try to get higher up the draft.

My bad. I saw a whole lot of 3s in the picks and told myself it was a third rounder. Point remains: Brown for pick 31 or 33 is a good result (assuming the only other net loss is a slide back from 26 to 28).

So unless you're upset with sliding back two spots from 26 to 28, we'll get Brown for a third round pick (31 or 33). Sounds good to me.

Per The Age: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-deadline-day-all-the-trades-and-all-the-drama-on-deadline-day-20201112-p56dvm.html North Melbourne and Melbourne are close to a deal to send Ben Brown to the Demons for an exchange of a suite of picks. The deal, which is agreed in principal, cannot be lodged until later today after an AFL briefing. The deal will centre on North giving up Brown and pick 28 and receive Melbourne’s pick 26 and either pick 31 or 33. The clubs will also swap future late round picks.

@Lucifer's Hero's thread is the go-to for this:

Couldn't find a thread on this elsewhere: mods, please put this in a more appropriate thread if there is one https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-close-to-list-size-cuts-as-end-of-trades-looms-20201112-p56dw9.html Minimum list size 37, max list size 44, inclusive of rookies. So that's a cut to the senior list by 2 and rookie list by 1. Apparently the salary cap will drop by around 10% too.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/pies-north-at-odds-over-stephenson-s-worth-20201111-p56drk.html Late Wednesday, North was still unable to come to terms with Melbourne on a trade for key forward Ben Brown, with the Demons yet to offer the Roos one of their second round choices - a situation that surprised North, since Melbourne had three picks in that round including the one acquired from Greater Western Sydney for Braydon Preuss.

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Are we sure that incentives such as the one you've described don't count towards the salary cap? If so, wouldn't clubs just structure their contracts with massive parts of them incentive-based?

I've let myself believe for a while now that we'd only have to pay something around 26, our initial pick. As of yesterday I was expecting it to be one of 26, 31 or 33. I'm certainly far less excited at the thought of us sending two of 26, 31 and 33 for him with no other pick coming back. Our talk has been about wanting to get back into the first round and these three picks are surely, given what we have now, our best/only chance of doing that. But, in saying all of that, Brown's fair market value is much more than just one of 26, 31 or 33. I feel like North shouldn't be getting that sort of value but what choice do we have? If we don't get a trade done, this won't be a Jack Martin style result for us.

There is a lot still to play out with GWS as well in terms of its draft hand. They're pushing hard for higher picks in return for Caldwell and Hateley. If they end up trading Cameron and then securing good picks for him, Caldwell and Hateley, they'll not just be cashed up but they'll have the picks to throw around for players.

Who's adding Treloar in 2022? Are you suggesting he'll stay at Collingwood for a year then walk out next year?

I think I'm right in saying we now have 26, 31, 33, 43 and 50 as our first five picks this year. How many of those get involved in a Brown trade?

Feels like a good and reasonable deal for us, Preuss and GWS. Like Hannan, best of luck to Preuss.

He couldn't hold down a spot in a side that didn't play finals. What exactly do you think he should be worth?

Fox seems to think we're going to send one of the new picks along with 26 to get him: "The Dees could now send one of their recently-acquired draft selections, as well as their current second-round selection (Pick 26), to the Kangaroos in a Brown deal"