leave it to deever

I'm not saying it was deliberate but you unlike some seem to understand the biomechanics of the game. In a spoil you want to get close to the ball.....a knee retards this process. And if it's not necessarily needed what's wrong with questions about doing it when although remote leads to a player hospitalized? It's not so unreasonable to talk about it.

It wasn't necessary. As mentioned stopped him getting closer to the ball. You answered your own post. Four busted ribs, torn spleen and punctured lung normal.....Junk.

Could hardly have more muscle mass than Tracc So your all for putting out the knee out when it's totally unnecessary and tearing a blokes Spleen. Bravo. Someone points out it's unnecessary and could be avoided and your response is... junk. Aren't you the voice of reason. Go and take your anger meds.

Eyes of the Mfc and back on the instigator of this injury...Darcy Moore. Now I'm not calling him out for malicious intent as knees in backs are clearly footy acts. But are they always necessary. In this case it wasn't necessary at all and did nothing towards the football. All it did was impeded moores ability to spoil and cause severe injury to one of our best. If it's such an obvious and natural part of the game, I do wonder how come we don't see more injuries? Knees should be kept in unless going for a mark. Just out of respect to fellow players and to not create any spinal injuries too.

Didn't I just say that.

Good points Sydney. I think Grundys tap work is pretty good and yep he's pretty good for a big man at ground level. But to consider him as a fwd option wasn't a great idea because as you say he can't mark. I mean that in itself is a huge indictment on the whole plan. For a bloke not too far from seven feet in height he averages about two marks a game. And he doesn't get into contests quick enough either. Max reads the play so well and as such we see him constantly in contests from one end of the ground to the other. Max is stronger and less likely to be moved out the way.

It seemed like a good idea at the time. The big issue was not selecting him in finals. That and a way too inexperienced sub in Laurie was a big coaching error.

Thanks Bingers. I didn't know he had said that. Im guessing it was a while ago and that he likely regrets it.

Id call for Petty to be dropped or at least moved to the backline but Goody seems pretty stubborn about this. Although it seems he's painted himself into a corner because eventually his hand will be forced. I'm sorry but it's now down to just poor coaching with this selection . It's probably harming the blokes career and he needs a spell at Casey to regain his old form and confidence. Preferably in the backline where he's played best. This is not an indictment of Petty. Lots of good players have slumps. I'm sure he doesn't want to be a fwd. This is now all on Goody as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't blame Petty for leaving but pretty sure we wouldn't get the same offer again.

Thanks for the reply Sydee. Appreciate it I would argue that Luke Jackson wasn't really much of a loss. He probably is for his ruck craft but we kind of covered that with Grundy. I think it's fair to say Jackson wasn't really a good forward. Gus I believe is a big loss. And Oliver while playing this year hasn't been his best for sure. Trac is only recently out. I don't mean to be argumentive but I don't feel we have found cause for the drop off. I think our forward line has deteriorated even more this year and our mids have been well below their best. And without Petty and Lever starring in our backline that too has been ordinary lately.

Hopefully Oliver and Viney can dig deep and play out of their collective skins for the remainder of the season and stop anymore Freo type beltings. Alas I don't think we will make finals with Trac sidelined for the rest of the season. It's more a case of just playing to show some pride and dignity of the club and stop a premiership team from being humiliated. Milkshake may come back in four or so weeks an bolster our goal kicking power. Such a tragedy that he went out just before the finals last year. In actual fact, I think we have been quite lucky on the injury front of we suffer a few others it could be nasty. Which brings me to the big issue. How did a team of 21 and one that probably should have won the flag last year ( pies were pretenders and our fwd line injuries were cruel as could be plus Gus being taken out) be reduced to where we are today? Why to we not have any players to cover our injuries or to drop players in poor form? It seems we just thought adding rejected players from other clubs would see us manage. Does anyone have any real reasons as to why we don't have any depth anymore. Did we have a lot in 21 ? I really would like to know what happened. Genuinely. I mean it's not like a whole bunch of players from the 21 squad just got up and walked out. And the few who did leave or retire were not exactly superstars.

Grundys tap work is very good and he's also pretty good at ground level. But Maxy is still a better ruck than Grundy. And as a player, Max is streets ahead of Grundy. I do wonder if our list was as incredible as people have argued. Of course our list was great but not a list of the ages. There was never a star full forward. I think it was a case of Goody getting the absolute best of the boys in 21. We also had a great run in terms of few injuries. But in 21 the signs of a missing forward line were definitely there. Tmac started 21 very well and was instrumental in us kicking some big score but he started to go downhill mid season. Bbb as well. At the start of 22 our forward line showed big problems. Again Bbb and Tmac had issues. Jackson left but he was never a prolific fwd by any stretch. 23 saw the same as this year as the Grundy/ Mac fwd idea unravelled. That was it. Lucky for us Milk stepped up but was dealt a cruel blow. So our list with a great backline and definitely classy midfield was left exposed the last two years by a dodgy forward line A great list has a great fwd line. We didn't and don't. We did well to play finals in 22 and 23 but surprise... surprise our fwd line imploded on both finals campaigns. Now this year our midfield despite the objections of a few faithful fans has definitely struggled leaving only one component left...our backline. Against Freo and Eagles and pies we saw Lever out injured and Petty still not defending. So our fwd , midfield and backline all had big issues and there goes the ballgame. Sorry Ww S, I went way off on a tangent or two here.

Some really unflattering mugs in that Hawks team.

Smith out. Bbb cooked. Spargo out all year . Tmac no longer admits he can play fwd. Schache not sure why's he's on our list Fullerton ditto. McAdam rightly dropped. Petty not a forward. Milkshake still recovering. Three years to fix a forward line with no success.

Good point. He's probably more productive in the fwd line. Hell knows we need some help there. If he can pop up and kick a couple of goals and goal assists there it's worth a crack. I always would have preferred him there than Tracca but even as he is as a mid, I think he stays put with Trac out.

Posters are probably sick of calling for Petty out when he stays all the time.

I think Afl years are like dog years .

Richmond remind me of us. Constant poor decisions. Especially the looping handballs to stationary players. An almost lazy and over confident style at times.

It does seem to make the rules somewhat inconsistent. I mean it's a slippery slope in stopping knees in the back for only spoils. And a path I'm not sure I'd like. That said the knee out in this spoiling attempt would have made it harder for Moore to get closer to the ball and only ultimately possible by the physics of moores knee pushing Trac out of the contest So it seems pushing a player flat in the back with hands albeit a spoil attempt or a mark is penalized but a knee isn't. It's a tough game to arbitrate but tougher one to play. Id hate to see knees penalized after someone's spinal cord is damaged. Despite being a footy act this particular knee out, wasn't a fair footy act for me. Totally unnecessary and has seen one of the Afls best players season done and dusted. Thanks Darcy. Get well asap Trac.

It's a pretty shocking injury to Tracca. After all is said and done I'm glad he's ok in terms of nothing life threatening. The blame game doesn't help and in any case I'm sure the clubs learnt things here( no sarcasm either). Four broken ribs, injured spleen and lungs is pretty nasty. I have no idea what Moore was thinking. Why and earth would he have put his knee in so very, very hard( it must have been given the injuries) in just attempting to go a spoil. Let's be frank about this. He was not flying for a mark and didn't need his knees for elevation. It's not necessarily a normal footy act in that if it happened all the time we would obviously see many more injuries like the ones Trac has. It is genuinely hard to ascertain why Moore did this. If you watch the replay moores knee was sticking out way before the contest. if anything moores knee would have impeded his ability to get closer to the ball. So it definitely begs the question why.

I genuinely hope that Petty finds some good form but I won't hold my breath He's played around 11 games fwd this year and with the exception of a very good game against Geelong the other 10 have been well below standard. At what stage will Goody simply have to make a change? Or does Petty just continue to play out the rest of the season in his current form? Surely a change of moving him down back or dropping him will eventually have to take place.

I may be way off base here and I certainly can't speak for the teams of the glamour years in the fifties and early sixties but hasn't Melbourne always been seen as more of a gentleman's team ( or at least educated private school) . This may just be a perception but perceptions can create some reality. As a supporter base we have probably been erroneously painted as cheese eating, Pinot quaffing , cigar smoking snow aficionados who drive European cars with small red and blue stickers on them. Have the players been wrongly( although I'm not sure about lately) presented as Robbie Floweresque and decent chaps rather than thugs who don't have elite skills and athleticism. This is quite false in my opinion as we've all witnessed our fair share of Strawbbs, Stynes, Grinters, Jacksons and Ditteriches. ( We could easily name a dozen others). But ai think in the eyes of pies fans we are perceived as soft. The whole Jack Watts saga comes back to mind. Now as mentioned we are not privy to what Gus or the coaches wanted. But I do believe our lack of response rightly or wrongly has fueled this narrative. We one a flag in 21 so we can't be too soft but maybe we are getting tired and apathetic which gives the same picture somewhat. I reckon pies fans have gone away thinking we are physically lacking. We play the filth in the last round so it will be interesting to see what transpires.

The remaining one per cent, probably think they are doctors.

It bugs me too that Maynard wasn't man handled. I was expecting and hoping for some justice via hard tackles and strong bumps. ( Since that Afls never handed any out And yea not the suspension causing ones. All legal and all within the bounds of safety ie no deliberate tackles ( or smothers) that are bound to cause injury. I thought the club could harness that player and club anger and use it to motivate. But the club was under a lot of pressure after the Freo loss so maybe it was worried about a distraction and another big blow out. Who really knows. And also as WCW mentioned maybe Gus didn't want them too. Maybe he just wants to forget the whole ordeal and not let it define or shape his life anymore. Can't blame him. And perhaps the players got around him in this sense. I think I'm hoping it was one or two( or both) of these things that prevented Maynard being singled out. Otherwise I think it makes the players look apathetic to the loss Gus has experienced. Now the game has come and gone and I've pondered over it all, I'm sure the players wouldn't be. But it was irritating to see Maynard tackle some players still pretty hard like the Howes one. Even without the Gus incident, Maynard is a dirty player. It's why other clubs go after him.

Which one? The ML one? Agreed. I posted that out of context.