ArtificialWisdom

I like the basics but it Needs more complications: Melb F1st -> GWS Freo F1st -> GWS GWS Lobb 14 & 25 -> Freo Melb Hogan -> Freo Freo 5&6 -> Melb GWS in: 2 F1st GWS out: 14, 25, Lobb Why? They know deals for Sheil and Setterfield will net 1st and 2nd round picks helping them stay in this years draft and gives them a super strong 3 1st round picks to use/deal in 2019 (possibly 4 F1st if bombers offer that much) Freo in: Hogan, Lobb, 14, 25 Freo out: 5, 6, F1st Why? get their 2 star Keys while staying in this year's first round. Keeping in mind with these inclusions they will be expecting to improve making that future pick likely in the 6-10 range (before any FA comp picks). Having their second pick in the 70s it's also weak position so pick 25 has higher than face value for freo. Melb in: 5,6 Melb Out: Hogan, F1st Why? Lose a star and exit the 1st round for 2019 but they gain the 2 picks they are after and allows them to deal for May and bring in another young talent a year earlier.

Because it might get the deal done? And gets us what we want out of a Hogan trade. Obviously my preference is to keep him but if that can't happen then we need to make the trade work for us. Not sit there kicking and screaming "waiting for them to blink" It's about what you get in. And I think that ins list, vastly improves our position for this year

We won't get 4 and 5 straight up. But.. what if we offered our 2019 1st round as well? I assume the club will be aiming top 4-6 so worst case that's pick 13/14 OUT: Hogan, 1st 2019; IN: picks 4 and 5 Then... We use picks 4 and 33 to secure May kolajaisni and some kind of steak knife pick in the 40s All up: Out: Hogan, 2019 1st Rd, pick 33 In: May, Kolla, pick 5 and the steak knives

One of our biggest strengths is our depth and it would appear we are losing as much as possible in the one year... Tyson fills a role when a first choice mid is unavailable. We need plays like this

Jesse Is a great young forward, but this thread is getting into some Essendon like Demands. Some of these trade demands would make it the biggest trade price of all time... I'm not sure he is that good, no matter how much we want him to be. If we somehow can get May and a first round pick (even if it was early teens) that would be a pretty big win. Keeping in mind we paid a "huge price" for Lever and that was picks 10 and 15. Some people are talking 2 picks in the top 5 or 6?? Freo would have to be completely incompetent to pay that. Just wait a year till he's out of contract and see how that navicular pulls up... knowing Melbourne's history with foot injuries he might not play all year then they can get him for a bargain. "out of contract and injury riddled"

Recommend monitoring Twitter of AFL, Ticketek and all clubs (including Hawks, Swans, GWS and Tigers who knows who will be quickest to update). Ticketek has shut down purchases for the time being. As soon as they say when, try to be ready with barcodes typed in word or notepad on a seperate lines so you just have to copy, paste all at once. Cross everything and pray. Good luck to all.

Basically me since the final siren yesterday:

Not a bad record given we've only played one game there.

Using the squiggle ladder predictor (https://predictor.squiggle.com.au/) If we win beat the eagles 200 to 14 and lose to the giants by 76-75 we end up on 139.8% Geelong would need to beat the suns 223 to 6 that way they end up on 139.9% problem comes with Port Adelaide, they would have to beat Essendon by so much that it doesn't allow me to enter the figures.. the max i can put in is 239 to 1 and that only brings Port's to 125.0%, quite a ways off passing us even on our current percentage, which is a nice thing to know at this point I thought all hope was lost. But! then I remembered North could make it if they beat Adelaide... So i did North to beat Adelaide 239 to 1 and then beat St Kilda 239 to 1! ...and that got them to 138.6% so narrowly missing us and coincidentally slotting themselves into 2nd on that all time list.

Dust off that finals tickets purchasing instruction booklet the club so thoughtfully sent me 12 months in advance

Interesting that in that report he went from last week saying Hunt will play VFL after the bye to yesterday saying he will train and be "available" this week. Might be better than reasonable chance that should harmes miss, he gets rushed back to play Hibbard role and Bernie moved up the ground to tag? Might also be reading too much into it

Go to the AFL ladder, order by percentage and you get a pretty similar looking list... But it's all looking good for the future given our list demographic but unfortunately the wins (or lack thereof) is all that really matters. I think we all know we are a very capable side, but capable is all. Until we prove otherwise we only have potential and some pretty numbers

Nailed it

Or St Kilda, or Collingwood, or Geelong in round 1. We've had a few

If hypothetically we were playing 'away' to Geelong in a final I'd be happy if it were down there, or for a compromise at the fortress Etihad. We have played better footy at those venues there than at the G. But doing the ladder predictor a few different ways it would require some .. Interesting... results for where Geelong plays a home final to apply to us anyway

In 6 weeks we will look back at the Geelong as the turning point. Remains to be seen of that's a good our bad turning point. We could fall as low as 11th/12th very quickly if things don't go our way in the next few weeks. Yet with the possible exception of WC in Perth, we a capable of winning any or all of the games in the run home

Might be controversial but i wouldn't be completely opposed to no change... For all the shattering disappointment, for the most part they played pretty well. Aside from a 5 minute patch where they couldn't touch the footy in the middle. I think we have a pretty decent balance obviously if Vines was available he would take Tyson's spot as would Hibbard take either Vince or Smith's. But other than that there is no desperate need. Maybe JKH for any of Kent, Hannan or Bugg but all have been inconsistent at best at AFL level. But with opportunities quickly evaporating to find enough wins i do wonder if they bite the bullet and Vanders gets a run a week or 2 earlier than they would have planned (not that i think he will help all that much). A loss this week and it will be just about season over baring something absolutely spectacular against the 2 Sydney teams or WC in Perth.

Nothing wrong with what he did, the rule is the problem. he definitely didn't stage, he through his hands in the air at the blatantly obvious free as anyone else would. The umpire clearly called "Max and paddy" (not that Gus could have heard) Danger could have kept his hands behind is back and the free would have been payed because Gus was in between him and the contest. It has nothing to do with the player its just the ([censored]) rule. Hell, Jesse stages every week, Jetta and Spargo both drop the knees in tackles all the time. and while the booing seemed a little unnecessary, that Max bump did look pretty soft. Besides we have much bigger problems to worry about than whether 1 particular opposition player stages...

Jetta Omac Smith Hibb Frost Vince Harmes Oliver Fritch Hannan Hogan ANB Melk TMac Kent/Garlett Gawn Jones Viney Spargo, Trac, Salem, Brayshaw Weid - 3 tall forwards isn't holding up. Let Tom and Hoges be a genuine 1-2 punch. We had Tom, Hogan, Weid, Fritch, Hannan and Melksham all shoved in to the same forward line, they are all aerialists needed someone at their feet, Spargo in Petty - Not ready, needs another 12 months+ at VFL to develop before we judge him. Frost is the only other senior option we have... We keep trying to fill Lever with inexperienced players like Smith and Petty and now people suggest keilty but maybe it is worth considering Oscar? I know long term they want him as the one on one defender with Lever floating but maybe Frost can do that this year and free up oscar to play the Lever role. Lewis - we need one of the senior heads in the side, he either survives or Vince returns, simple as that. Even if we wanted to drop both, with Hunt injured then we have no other option. Maybe Wagner but I don't expect that to go down to well Tyson - Good inside mid, not good enough to take the spot of viney, jones brayshaw or oliver (or salem for that matter) so he doesnt play. Fritch was great on the wing but has struggled since tyson took his role. Tyson isnt skilled enough to do it. Fritch goes back to the wing and Kent/Garlett in. Kent only had the 1 run after injury but Garlett hasnt exactly earned it... Lose, lose pick for Goody but we need to do something different Smith, Trac, ANB & Hannan lucky, no better options available. Although Bugg could push for one of the pressure forward spots... For what it's worth... I don't really expect this to happen but it's what I'd do, change the structures they have failed 3 weeks in a row, and they don't hold up on the G.

They wanted a minimum sample set... They have set it at 60 contests... given we are only 11 weeks into this year not every player will have reached that mark... All of champion data's stats do this sort of thing. They look over 2 year periods because they dont want to draw conclusions based on small samples... The biggest problem with Champion Data is that they don't show us everything... only the AFL and the media have access to all the stats they record. Give that to the public and suddenly we would get some useful insight... (and some much worse) That Stats Pro thing (clearly in no way Pro but 'Yay Marketing!') on the AFL website is a very, very, small step in the right direction but then they made it Telstra only which [censored] over the rest of us... the next best thing is the prospectus and by the time the ball is bounced round 1 the prospectus is completely out of date..

Love this, picking the best team structure rather than just picking Viney for Weid. Each to their own whether you pick Smith or Pedo, but i like that they have a structure and are picking specifically for it. Earlier in the year we were chopping and changing entirely on players form and wound up with Hogan and Garrett as the only 2 genuine forwards and we couldn't kick a goal.

Might not have been among the very best but: Fritch on the wing, the skilled link-man we have desperately needed

Does Spargo in mean Garlett out? Like for like?

Tmac I hope is picked to take that spot